The Lawsuits Thread

[justintime]

Thanks, SnoopyDances!

. . . I think the case against the lawyers will deal indirectly with the divorce and affair to prove that his lawyers gave him bad advice during the divorce proceedings as an example of the malpractice alleged. If Johnny's current team can prove that his former lawyers had a conflict of interest due to the Musk/Heard relationship and that they deliberately withheld evidence against Amber and the "hoax" while advising Johnny inappropriately, it would be very detrimental to the former lawyers' reputation and their countersuit against Johnny. That is the reason the affair keeps getting mentioned in this case and the only reason to bring Musk into this conversation.

As for his defamation case against Amber,the affair will probably be dealt with directly as it would demonstrate a conflict with Amber and her many claims against Johnny. Proving that an "inappropriate" relationship existed with another man during the time she claimed to be abused by Depp would not bode well in her favor.

Musk is not currently being sued in any of the cases.

In this article, the judge is quoted as saying there is much fingerpointing from both sides (former and current lawyers) and that they need to start producing evidence to back up their claims. Johnny has claimed that he paid millions to the former lawyers but the former lawyers claim Depp still owes money. This is where TMG comes back into the picture as they have all of the financial records in question under a seal order from their own legal case with Johnny. The court could allow the documents to be unsealed for the purpose of proving who paid/owes money to whom and that is why Johnny's team has been granted the extension. However, it is not known if the public will have access to the financial records or if they will be under a seal order from the lawyer vs. lawyer case.

Not mentioned in this article was the request by the former attorneys to gain access to all of Johnny's medical records with Johnny's team filing a motion to disallow. I bring it up here because the former lawyers need to prove that Johnny is somehow incompetent and to blame for his own problems (the same thing TMG claimed) so they were perhaps searching for medical "evidence" that might infer a larger problem. I have no idea what could be in the medical files, and we may never know, but I'm glad the focus now seems to be on financial records and withheld evidence rather than any medical claims...more tangible evidence rather than medical opinion.

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“. . . no suit against Musk, yet . . .”

And probably purposely so. He appears to be a wild card in this mess without an ounce of integrity and dubious allegiances at best.

the parties “need to start producing evidence to back up their claims.”

This is where it all gets very confusing and seemingly unfair to JD, considering the sleezy handling of evidence already referenced as “exculpatory”. Who exactly is now in possession of the remaining “sealed documents”? It appears to be the Mandels (TMG). How can that possibly be if they (i.e. TMG) are, indeed, under Federal scrutiny? Why not issue an order of immediate compliance to TMG to turn these docs over to JD, since he is the one being held accountable for giving them to Bloom et al? And won’t they have to be opened? Certainly JD should have the right to be selective at least to the extent of providing only the info that will answer Bloom’s presumably very specific questions?

Just wondering, also, who requested the extension? Seems September is uncomfortably close to when FB Part III is due to start filming, isn’t it?

[SnoopyDances]

It sounds like Johnny’s team asked for the extension to obtain/study/analyze the financial records, perhaps other records between Bloom and TMG. I’m sure they had/have a copy of Johnny’s from the TMG suit that quietly went away.

Not sure what specifically they are looking for, but just like the “recently obtained” evidence against Amber, they may be trying to follow the money trail down a different path.

All of these suits are tied together but Johnny is approaching them individually, probably hoping that as each one gets settled it will produce sufficient evidence for the next one. Sort of a divide and conquer methodology.

All of this is just my opinion, mind you, but it seems to be the only way it makes sense.

[justintime]

It sounds like Johnny’s team asked for the extension to obtain/study/analyze the financial records, perhaps other records between Bloom and TMG. I’m sure they had/have a copy of Johnny’s from the TMG suit that quietly went away.

Not sure what specifically they are looking for, but just like the “recently obtained” evidence against Amber, they may be trying to follow the money trail down a different path.

All of these suits are tied together but Johnny is approaching them individually, probably hoping that as each one gets settled it will produce sufficient evidence for the next one. Sort of a divide and conquer methodology.

All of this is just my opinion, mind you, but it seems to be the only way it makes sense.

Thanks, SnoopyDances. Your divide and conquer theory makes a lot of sense. I find it particularly disturbing to realize, as more and more connections are being made, that AH - with unfettered access to Johnny for way too long - is emerging as the ubiquitous money-grab link between each of these nefarious entities and Johnny’s financial portfolio. Makes my stomach churn.

[ForeverYoung]

Frankly, it doesn't seem to me that Musk was doing anything illegal as far as the affair issue but it could boil down to the fact that he is a witness to her alleged bruise. Still, it think it would be a malpractice on their end for not disclosing it to Johnny but they were not his divorce attorney anyway. It's all very twisted.

[Ingrid 3]

So what I am thinking all the time... why. WHY. Why did AH go after Johnny. He - he gave up his marriage to Vanessa for her, he gave her everything she wanted, you would think she was in love with him... why... why did she hate him so much that she - with the help of others even - set this all up to ruin his live, his family, his career, to hurt him so much. I just can't wrap my head around it.

How people - not only her, but Elon Musk - and the lawfirm - can be so evil.
Why ruin this sweet and humble and gentle ánd innocent man.
And not think about his children or others near him.

[myfave]

So what I am thinking all the time... why. WHY. Why did AH go after Johnny. He - he gave up his marriage to Vanessa for her, he gave her everything she wanted, you would think she was in love with him... why... why did she hate him so much that she - with the help of others even - set this all up to ruin his live, his family, his career, to hurt him so much. I just can't wrap my head around it.

How people - not only her, but Elon Musk - and the lawfirm - can be so evil.
Why ruin this sweet and humble and gentle ánd innocent man.
And not think about his children or others near him.

How do you know he gave up Vanessa for her?

[reindeermoon]

First thing Vanessa and Johnny never married. Once it was said that Vanessa did not want to marry him and then it was the other way round. But nobody knows wether Johnny left Vanessa or Vanessa left him. But she wanted to go back to sing and act and not just travelling with him and the kids or stay at home. Vanessa wanted a model career for her daughter and I do not know wether Johnny was happy with that. It was said that there were problems from both sides. But of course for the tabloids it is easyier to put the blame on Johnny.

[meeps]

I have a theory, which might explain at least part of AH's anger and perhaps hate against Johnny, Ibbi. It might not explain it all. And it doesn't explain why the others did what they did. And it is, as I said, only a theory. But here goes ...
Amber at one point said, according to the tabloids, that "Johnny got furious, when his authority got challenged". Now that sounds so unlikely to me and so contrary to the image I have of Johnny as an easy going sweetie, that it got me thinking.
What if, what really happened, was that Amber had all kind of not that nice - no, make that nasty - schemes, she wanted Johnny to put his considerable weight in Hollywood behind. Schemes to further her general agenda and especially her career. And Johnny said "No" because he's not nasty. ... and yes, then got rather angry and frustrated, when she kept pushing and wouldn't or couldn't understand what was wrong with her plan, and why Johnny kept saying "No"
Not only would he make her mad by not going along.
But she might also have feared, that he'd tell the world about it at some point - plus tell about all the times, she was violent - not realising, that he is too much of a gentleman to do that unless pushed past his endurance, and so she turned the tables and accused him of her deeds.
And people unfortunately believed her ... Maybe Musk believed her too, so couldn't see anything wrong in being with her, no matter if they started being together while she was still married or only after.
That doesn't explain the behaviour of the TMG group or Bloom, but maybe they just noticed, that Johnny was too trusting, and too busy being creative to pay attention to what they did, and so thought it was OK to take advantage of him
Just my five cent. Sorry for going on a bit.

But - by the way, has anybody read any comment from Musk about all this?

[Chocolat]

meeps, your theory is a sound one, especially looking at Amber as a person that won't take no for an answer and when push comes to shove, she lashes out. (We saw her outrage on the show about her car being "overhauled")
I think we have all asked the question as to why this chaos came down on Johnny in one huge cluster mess. It's almost to the point where after all logical reasoning has been exhausted, you look toward other worldly explanations.

We are good and decent human beings and what they did is unthinkable to all of us.
That's what makes this mess so confusing and sad. The fact that Amber Heard and her conspiring friends, Bloom and The Management Company take no responsibility for their actions makes them, in my opinion, greedy criminals and despicable people.
The former lawyers will debate and fight this till the end, playing their games, with intent to win. Amber is a self-absorbed brat. She's motivated by her ego which is her downfall. Yet, she is a schemer, as you mentioned, meeps, which I can only conclude that she had a plan from the beginning when she charmed her way into getting the part in The Rum Diary. In my opinion, everything she does in thought, word and deed, is calculated for her own advantage. Some would even say, premeditated. And when this all goes to trial the evidence will speak for itself because evidence doesn't lie, people do.

[Ingrid 3]

Geez offcourse I know they were not married/ but I do call a long time relationship like that a marriage.
And I firmly believe if she would not have been in the picture, going after him with all she got, Johnny would have not left Vanessa at that point. Maybe later if there were problems...but him falling for AH surtainly put an end to it.

Thank you for you reply Meeps, that does makes sense, yours too Chocolat.

[meeps]

You're both very welcome
And thanks a billion for agreeing with me
I agree with you too, Ibbi - here we also see people, who has been together for that and even in this case have kids, as married even if they are not 'hitched' officially

[reindeermoon]

I write it sometimes in comments that Vanessa and Johnny were not married, because they often point at Johnny as the bad guy, having left his wife and kids for a much younger "girl".
They are looking for anything to make him look bad, storys how he has been arrested for having threatend a journalist with a plank in London. They never write the whole story, how the journalists were pestering the pregnant Vanessa. It makes me angry. I know that some will try to silence Johnny like TMG did.

[ForeverYoung]

I think it is important to remember that when the family moved from France to LA, Vanessa was constantly back and forth to France because her family and work was all there. Johnny was always traveling too and busy with work. At one point one of them said they had approx 30 projects going on between the two of them. When the kids were young they all traveled together but as they got older the family wasn't together like they used to be. I never really believed it would last forever but I think they did the best they could, as long as they could, for the sake of the kids. Still, I never doubted that Amber went after him with a mission.

[meeps]

I think you're right there, ForeverYoung. And the tabloids and gossip mags, who so love to paint Vanessa as the victim and Johnny as the villain totally forget, or more probably ignore, because it doesn't fit their preferred (melodramatic, soap opera) storyline, that Vanessa is not mad at him, never was as far as I know, and defended him against Amber at once. That tells me that they split up peacefully by mutual agreement like grownups. So no victim and no villain.
Except that, I guess, they might both have felt sad, and a bit like victims of the circumstances, when they gave up on their relationship.

[justintime]

Another favorable court decision for Johnny on Friday, March 29th:



Thank you to IFOD for the link.