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Unread post by MaryS » Mon May 25, 2020 6:16 am

AdeleAgain - Interesting take on the *mutual abuse*. Either way it doesn't matter, Heard has no proof.

I think that even the twitter-ers who pretend to dislike both and pretend to be neutral are on her team. They always somehow slip in *mutual abuse*.

I am not on twitter but as you can tell I read a lot of tweets. It does give you a general feel of the situation. And Johnny is winning.

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Unread post by Judymac » Mon May 25, 2020 9:45 am

justintime wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 8:47 pm
Moonbeam wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 6:09 pm
Here is another article from Medium.com, named 'Why Is This NYT Reporter Stalking Johnny Depp's Supporters?'. This is written by Robert Turner.

I think, see below, this may be the follow-up article Mr. Turner is promising in your post, Moonbeam. I’d posted it in this thread (p. 231), not knowing the article above was written first. They make sense when read together, first yours from May 12, 2020, then this next one (below) from May 14, 2020.
justintime wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 11:13 pm
“The NYT Commits More Reporters to Their Depp Vendetta” from Robert Turner at Medium.com.
Very disturbing implications; validates what we think we’ve been seeing wrt the ramped-up and relentless, “truth-less” persecution of JD. Is Mr. Waldman who, apparently, has been a thorn in the NYT’s side for years the real target?
Also, I didn’t know AH wrote an op-Ed in the NYT this past Sunday, according to Mr. Turner (“On Sunday (May 10th?)she was allowed to pen an op-Ed in the NYT. The message is clear. We’re sticking with Amber. Again, the question why?). Did anyone happen to read it?


Judymac: I hope with all my heart you are right. It is articles like the above that are so worrisome.
This does not matter. This article is not evidence. Judges only consider the facts that have been put in evidence. The newspaper articles, fan reactions etc are not part of the evidence are not something that will not be considered. Even if they tried to get it put into evidence (at this late time) it probably would not be admitted. It is an opinion, not evidence. The U.S. judge has already made some ruling favorable to Johnny, so I believe that he is a fair judge. I wish I could make people understand that all the other stuff that they are worrying about does not matter. The only thing that matters is what has been put into evidence.

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Unread post by Moonbeam » Mon May 25, 2020 10:34 am

I DO Understand that the evidence before the court is all that Really Matters.
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Unread post by Judymac » Mon May 25, 2020 11:22 am

Moonbeam wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 10:34 am
I DO Understand that the evidence before the court is all that Really Matters.
Sorry my comments were meant for Justintime. I clicked on the wrong quote.

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Unread post by Moonbeam » Mon May 25, 2020 12:13 pm

Accepted.
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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Mon May 25, 2020 2:13 pm

If Amber Heard's team and so called supporters are claiming "mutual abuse" then they are admitting she is an abuser.
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Unread post by Chocolat » Mon May 25, 2020 3:03 pm

ForeverYoung wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 2:13 pm
If Amber Heard's team and so called supporters are claiming "mutual abuse" then they are admitting she is an abuser.
The important point here is it's Amber Heard who needs to provide proof that she isn't an abuser. No chance that will happen.
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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Mon May 25, 2020 3:09 pm

Sorry I don't think I was very clear when I wondered if the mutual abuse was a throw-AH-under-the-bus by the Sun and the lawyers. So the Sun has to defend itself having called JD a wife beater. The tapes of her freely talking about whacking the hell out of him have really undermined her case (on top of the other evidence) - so could it be that the Sun are going to court saying "we didn't say she isn't a husband beater, we are just saying he hit her".

Of course this doesn't stack up at all, and the Sun are still going to have to prove that he hit her - but I wonder if they are trying to get out on a legal technicality which let's face it, is all either they or AH have now.

What I was trying to say is that the problem they have with this argument and relying on AH is that she said from the very beginning she was terrified of him.

And her word is proven to be unreliable.

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Unread post by Lbock » Mon May 25, 2020 4:15 pm

AdeleAgain wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 3:09 pm
Sorry I don't think I was very clear when I wondered if the mutual abuse was a throw-AH-under-the-bus by the Sun and the lawyers. So the Sun has to defend itself having called JD a wife beater. The tapes of her freely talking about whacking the hell out of him have really undermined her case (on top of the other evidence) - so could it be that the Sun are going to court saying "we didn't say she isn't a husband beater, we are just saying he hit her".

Of course this doesn't stack up at all, and the Sun are still going to have to prove that he hit her - but I wonder if they are trying to get out on a legal technicality which let's face it, is all either they or AH have now.

What I was trying to say is that the problem they have with this argument and relying on AH is that she said from the very beginning she was terrified of him.

And her word is proven to be unreliable.
Your last few sentences are spot on. She said she lived in fear, and yet we have proof she not only harmed him, but initiated physical abuse. So this won't be cast as they are both abusers to absolve The Sun, therefore our article is correct. Her credibility is going to be tested. She lied, over and over, so when isn't she lying. Johnny is standing by he didn't abuse her, but did a few times push her away or push her arms down from hitting him. That isn't abuse. Even throwing a can back at her to get her to stop throwing things, is self-defense, not mutual abuse. It'll be up to the judge (on his own, no jury in The Sun case) to decide this.

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Unread post by justintime » Mon May 25, 2020 5:20 pm

Moonbeam wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 10:34 am
I DO Understand that the evidence before the court is all that Really Matters.
Judymac wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 11:22 am
Sorry my comments were meant for Justintime. I clicked on the wrong quote.
To clarify: My only reason for posting and commenting concern about the two related Medium.com articles by Mr. Turner was to bring attention to the current, full throttle effort and seriously questionable tactics of the NYT to undermine JD’s public support and and his legal team’s(!) credibility. Not case related evidence by any stretch. Just an ugly move by a usually respectable msm source. The question remains a multi-pronged, “Why?”
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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Mon May 25, 2020 7:00 pm

The reporter from NYT is trying desperately to find out of anyone from JD's team is contacting fans to post things. I think we have seen the connection behind The Sun and some of the big tabloids and it's pretty obvious the people with money are trying to control the media..maybe even payoffs, imo.
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Unread post by MaryS » Mon May 25, 2020 8:25 pm

Heard can't claim self defense.

Because if you look at all the evidence - the recordings, the texts etc. - she *starts* all the fights. Johnny in turn does NOT respond physically and splits all the time.

So, what does that leave Heard's team but "mutual abuse" even if she's called an abuser.

But Heard's foray in trying to prove that Johnny initiated any fight, for example, like the bruised eye has been DEBUNKED. She has been accused of painting on the bruise by Johnny's team and what with the video coverage showing no bruise, and her photo *evidence* lacking a date and/or time stamp, yeah, Heard should confess this hoax right now.

So, where does that leave Heard's team? Pretty stuffed I say.

Heard's only hope is that the Judge believes that there were *other* *imaginary* scenarios she's sure to come up with where Johnny was physically abusive. Yeah, she will supply NO proof but that hasn't stopped her before.

Look, the Judge does NOT believe Heard with her current story let alone any others she comes up with. Who would?

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Unread post by justintime » Mon May 25, 2020 10:53 pm

AH’s connections may be beyond the reach of truth and credibility, after all. How else to explain L’Oréal’s continued staunch backing of AH despite loud cries for her removal from the brand’s most recent promotions?

“....Heard is not without influential friends. Her attorney is Roberta Kaplan, the front for Times Up and Heard was recently seen enjoying the company of Kamala Harris, a potential running mate for Joe Biden.

Is is not unusual in our society to witness travesties of justice. Amber Heard could be one of these, unfolding in full view of the public, protected as she is by power and politics.

It would explain why a large multinational corporation such as L’Oréal would risk their companies reputation on her...”


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Unread post by Judymac » Tue May 26, 2020 12:40 am

justintime wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 10:53 pm
AH’s connections may be beyond the reach of truth and credibility, after all. How else to explain L’Oréal’s continued staunch backing of AH despite loud cries for her removal from the brand’s most recent promotions?

“....Heard is not without influential friends. Her attorney is Roberta Kaplan, the front for Times Up and Heard was recently seen enjoying the company of Kamala Harris, a potential running mate for Joe Biden.

Is is not unusual in our society to witness travesties of justice. Amber Heard could be one of these, unfolding in full view of the public, protected as she is by power and politics.

It would explain why a large multinational corporation such as L’Oréal would risk their companies reputation on her...”


https://medium.com/thecre8tive/loréal-s ... 35d294ad5a
I hope that I am misunderstanding what you are saying. Are you saying that the justice system is corrupt and that Amber Heard will get what she wants because she knows important people?

I guess we will have to disagree on this. I think that in the U.S trial he has a very fair judge. I think that is what really matters. I also think that Johnny knows important people too, but all that will matter is the evidence.

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Re: The Lawsuits Thread

Unread post by MaryS » Tue May 26, 2020 1:01 am

Judymac - I agree with you, the Judge in the US has been outstanding. The UK Judge the same.