The Lawsuits Thread

[Snowcat]

AdeleAgain: If you can find the red carpet event (Danish Girl - I believe). If I remember correctly (I have senior moments), their arrival to the event, watch her body language something has gone on, she has a fake smile, controlling him, put a show on because the fans were yelling for JD, she decided to grab his face and kiss him .There is a pic of JD in his hat, dark dark sunglasses smiling with fans. ( the next morning) JD was sporting a black eye (right one , his face to me, anyway, looked swollen - righr side) AH was yelling at fans to stop (pics with JD). At first I thought it was just her jealousy, as fans at the red carpet event were more thrilled to see JD than her (probably why she beat the tar out of him). Now thinking back on it, she didn't want anyone to know she hit him. Hopefully, I haven't befuddled my memory of the clip. If you find it, please let me know. If you see what I saw, this lovely gentleman has gone to hell and back.

Yeah, I just found the pics. Anyone who wants to see, just search for TIFF2015 The Danish Girl Premier and look through the pics (unless they are also here, in the Zone's archives?). Th Danish Girl Premiered a few days before Black Mass, in Toronto, at TIFF.
I may have mentioned this before, but just for you, Granna, I was standing outside at the theater when I saw Johnny and her go by in the car. When his car arrived, people started screaming. The "rock star" of the prem had arrived!! Now that I know what happened after that festival and also something about the fight they had, from here, it puts a few things into context for me! There she was in the car, smiling and waving at fans and I saw Johnny sitting on the other side of her, in the shadows. He did not look particularly happy. Also, she was not even in Black Mass, yet she behaved as if she was "the star" (whatever!!), trying to upstage him. They got out if the car at the theater entrance, where the red carpet was and posed for photos for a while, and I guess interviews before going into the theater. I thought, that was it for seeing Johnny, but I hung around anyway, at the festive atmosphere. About an hour later, I see Johnny bolt
out of the theater and make a mad dash to one end of the barricaded off street, and quickly, one by one, greet fans, when he got back to the red carpet, he dashed again, this time to the side I was on. I could not help but think, "He seems to be escaping from someone in the theater!!" Yeah, I'll bet he was!

[Granna]

Snowcat: Thank you sooooo much for that. I have a feeling if we keep looking we will see her facial expressions change at these events when they yell and cheer for JD and NOT her.. That night or day after if we looked, we would probably notice more bruises then we have up to now. I saw a change in late 2012 with JD. Not bruises, but the emptiness of life in his eyes, he was so miserable. It broke my heart.

[ForeverYoung]

I was again listening to the audio I posted above and noticed that she kept saying she could not condone her actions the night before (when she punched him in the face) and that she felt bad about it and still Nicol would have dismissed that. If the situation were reversed, Nicol would have accepted it as admittance that JD abused her and it makes me sick.

I can't believe what a manipulative conniving person she was always turning the tables to put the blame on him in that audio but even back then he knew what she was doing and still confessing his love for her.

I really hope he finds someone he can settle down with someone who loves and respects him and doesn't treat him like what we hear in these audios.

[ForeverYoung]

Snowcat: Thank you sooooo much for that. I have a feeling if we keep looking we will see her facial expressions change at these events when they yell and cheer for JD and NOT her.. That night or day after if we looked, we would probably notice more bruises then we have up to now. I saw a change in late 2012 with JD. Not bruises, but the emptiness of life in his eyes, he was so miserable. It broke my heart.

2012 was the official break up with Vanessa and it was hard on both of them. The sparkle left from his eyes for a long time but it's finally back thank goodness.

[AdeleAgain]

Looking at the photos of him in early 2016 is actually horrifying. He is defeated. And I think he was still feeling defeated in May 2016. I wonder how much sparkle he has right now having to carry such an enormous injustice.

I allowed myself too much hope that he would get justice in London because I reasoned how could anyone believe a person who has committed perjury and lied to authorities? That person would have no credibility before a court. I think I even waxed on here far too much that I didn't think she'd have the gall to show up.

And now we know even more - and I keep saying to myself how will a jury be able to believe a single word she says after the charity debacle (more, very serious perjury) if nothing else? How can 12 sane people sit through those audios and not conclude she was the violent one? But her capacity to practically get away with murder is unbelievable.

I looked at a "thread" one of her few remaining supporters had put up the other day "proving" he is an abuser. I mean it is embarrassing - things wrongly labelled, irrelevant dates. They clutch at the San Francisco tape where she garbles on. If anyone can understand what she is even saying I'd be amazed. You can throw punches but yelling is ok? You can't yell, you can yell - WHAT? - I was totally confused as I think was he! I listened to the "head butt admission" - what he says is "IF I had head butted you in the forehead, that wouldn't break your nose". Damn right it wouldn't. She had no broken nose. I presumed he'd made the mistake of engaging in details of what she claimed.

And then my favourite is when they seize on the really damning first tape - what did they pick out? That he leaves her during fights. That he goes away and causes her anxiety by not replying. Never mind the very clear explanation of "a man would get out of that area so he doesn't get so mad he does pop the wife" - no, no - apparently he is abusive by going. She is not abusive for whacking him, he is an abuser for leaving. Isn't that exactly what battered spouses are told to do - leave for a safe space.

Urgh apologies - Monday morning and I am not over this injustice.

[Lbock]

LAPD is not having AH games. Pritchess is usually used in criminal cases, not civil. I didn't buy the whole document.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchess_motion

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A Pitchess motion is a request made by the defense in a California criminal case, such as a DUI case or a resisting arrest case, to access a law enforcement officer's personnel information when the defendant alleges in an affidavit that the officer used excessive force or lied about the events surrounding the defendant's arrest. The information provided will include prior incidents of use of force, allegations of excessive force, citizen complaints, and information gathered during the officer's pre-employment background investigation. The motion's name comes from the case Pitchess v. Superior Court.[1]

[RumLover]

UK trial Day 11 transcript page 40 (or 1850-1855) is Heard being questioned about the audio file recorded in Australia. She says Johnny must have hit record on her phone and she didn't know about the file until the divorce proceedings found it. I am sure she recorded it and it was found when she handed over unlocked phone for discovery during divorce. She might or might not have deleted the file, I expect Johnny's lawyers hired tech people to look at phone and could extract files. I think the tech could copy the entire phone storage for searching at a later time, (A 7 hour audio file could be conspicuous but will take 7+ hours to check.)

One thing that puzzles me is that a recording from March 2015 was found on her phone after May 2016 when she said her phone was lost in April 2016. This could be explained by phone not being lost or by it being configured to synchronize with cloud storage and all files were automatically copied to new phone.

AdeleAgain, The file recovery process would not involve any phone company. Although I don't know what you mean by "phone company". Do you mean a network provider such as AT&T or a phone manufacturer such as Apple or Samsung?
I do not believe a network provider should ever have a copy of recordings. The only records they should have is about calls or texts and then only time, location, numbers not content.
Some phone manufacturers and third party (eg Google) have apps that can be configured to synchronize the contents of the phone with cloud storage for backup reasons. In this case Heard handed over her phone so they wouldn't need access to backup.

Personally, I think the Toronto tape is gone and will not be recovered for a court hearing.
Also the security camera video of Whitney pretend punching Amber was overwritten years ago and cannot be recovered. There are multiple witnesses who saw the video.

[AdeleAgain]

Sorry Rumlover I explained badly because to be honest I don't really know myself! But several friends that I have who work in tech companies say that you can retrieve things from phones or cloud storage that you think have been lost. Sometimes data has to be reconstructed (I have no idea what that really means). I think the thing they were trying to explain to me is why Johnny's team may have been able to recover things sent to him or held by him, years later. So for example the first tape that came out - from the side conversations it sounds like she recorded it with his knowledge, and then sent it to him (unlike the Toronto tapes which she hadn't sent).

What I suspect happened is that he remembered that he had certain recordings but couldn't find them himself in his phone - it took a tech team a while to get them for him. That seems a reasonable explanation for why that audio wasn't attached to his first witness statement in the VA proceedings.

The second tape he definitely recorded - which is why when they lose signal we can hear him talking and not her. (She also claims she asked him if he was recording and he said no but nowhere on the tape does that happen!)

It does not sound like they were handed over in discovery ordered against AH.

The only one I think she provided was the San Francisco tape.

All of which of course begs one simple question - she made the first recording - so she should have handed it over initially in discovery. But thank goodness he had a copy.

There are supposedly 30 or 40 other recordings - which it seems he has worked hard to try and recover but she hasn't. Isn't that odd.

As to her claims the he threw her phone off the balcony, I doubt it. She would have shouted about that detail a lot sooner than she did if that happened. She was also calling and texting and trying to find his phone using an app. Ok maybe she had two phones, but isn't it odd that in the telling of the story she didn't say "and I had to use my other phone as Johnny had thrown mind away". And I so hope someone brings her up on her claims to have had to repeatedly change number because of death threats. IF that is true, people she knew were sending her death threats and she should have reported them to the police. How would random fans have acquired her phone number?

So many things we would all love to ask. I do feel that what JD's team really needs is one of Johnny's supporters who really knows the ins and outs of the case and who can whisper in Ben's ear during her deposition. For example when I was reading the transcript in UK court about the recording of them discussing her hitting him in the head/the bathroom fight - I was shouting at my lap top "but that's totally different to what she said last time she was asked under oath". I bring that up because yesterday as I was reading her stans defence of her - this is one of the things they cite - that she was so concerned about his well being she sat all night behind a bathroom door to make sure he was ok. Errr??? Wasn't she originally trying to escape. From a room ...... you remember!!

[Lbock]

Judge has asked AH & LAPD to meet and confer to try to work out their issues, but AH has still asked for an Information Discovery Conference. A formal hearing for the Pitchess motion (LAPD personnel records) is set for 2/10/21

[ForeverYoung]

So Amber Heard is having court battles with both Disney and the LAPD? This chick never learns and her lawyers are not doing her any favors either.

[Granna]

Why would Judge White encourage a meeting? This makes no sense. Is he siding with Heard or giving her rope to hang herself? I thought these motions are used in criminal situations not civil. Can someone please explain to this old lady. (I hate senior moments!)

[gipsyblues]

Granna .I am an old lady too .
..... I don't understand the judge's behavior either and it worries me.

[ForeverYoung]

Why would Judge White encourage a meeting? This makes no sense. Is he siding with Heard or giving her rope to hang herself? I thought these motions are used in criminal situations not civil. Can someone please explain to this old lady. (I hate senior moments!)

I believe it is the California judge who was suggesting the meeting between the ex's lawyers and the LAPD lawyers.

[Granna]

Ok.- I got that wrong. But why? Why is everyone kissing this two headed scum sucking snake's butt?

[Lbock]

It’s normal especially now with covid to take up less Court time. Judge wants to know before a hearing (if it comes to that) that the parties have exhausted every available opportunity to work things out between them. Come to their own resolution.