The Lawsuits Thread

[Granna]

ForeverYoung: it makes one wonder, just how many of those cases that are in appeals court in the British system, belong to Nicol.

[AdeleAgain]

Why did none of this come out in UK trial?

And how is ThatBrianfella in posession of these docs? Where are they from?
These are the aces up Adams sleeves I was hoping for. Hopefully there is more to come for the VA trial.

It looks like the email to Kate James is a new attachment to her statement. She may have updated her witness statement for VA. It may just be that Adam's team have been able to get hold of more messages through disclosure - remember for London, AH could not be compelled to produce evidence because she was only a witness not a defendant. Very different in VA and also as I understand different disclosure procedures. Remember how the Sun was able to cherry pick a couple of angry messages from JD amongst 70 thousand texts? Well presumably Adam's team have now got AH's equivalent. Open the popcorn this should be interesting: if she is completely honest with her disclosures!!

[Moonbeam]

I keep reading Johnny Depp and Amber Heard were mutually abusive, especially on Twitter, and got sick of hearing these LIES!! So, this is an article explaining that mutual abuse is RARE!! As if we didn't know that.

[Chocolat]

The Toronto tapes have been a topic of discussion on social media. My recollection is that AH is/was in possession of them and that the tapes are a touchy subject with her. To my knowledge she hasn't submitted them to JD's side yet. However, if she destroyed them or can't account for their whereabouts, being the sole person known to be in possession of them, does that automatically indicate tampering with evidence?

[ForeverYoung]

The Toronto tapes have been a topic of discussion on social media. My recollection is that AH is/was in possession of them and that the tapes are a touchy subject with her. To my knowledge she hasn't submitted them to JD's side yet. However, if she destroyed them or can't account for their whereabouts, being the sole person known to be in possession of them, does that automatically indicate tampering with evidence?

Good question. I guess it would depend on when she destoryed them and how she recorded them. If she recorded on her phone then I believe the phone company can still get hold of them of they are subpoenaed even if she deleted them from her phone but I don't know how far back they can do this. All I know is that her failing to produce them is not a good sign for her because we all know if there was something on those tapes that were bad for him she would have released them and she has been plotting this scam for years.

[Chocolat]

The Toronto tapes have been a topic of discussion on social media. My recollection is that AH is/was in possession of them and that the tapes are a touchy subject with her. To my knowledge she hasn't submitted them to JD's side yet. However, if she destroyed them or can't account for their whereabouts, being the sole person known to be in possession of them, does that automatically indicate tampering with evidence?

Good question. I guess it would depend on when she destoryed them and how she recorded them. If she recorded on her phone then I believe the phone company can still get hold of them of they are subpoenaed even if she deleted them from her phone but I don't know how far back they can do this. All I know is that her failing to produce them is not a good sign for her because we all know if there was something on those tapes that were bad for him she would have released them and she has been plotting this scam for years.

Thanks ForeverYoung for your answer. My guess is that from the backlash she received from the kitchen cabinet tape after the truth was revealed about how it was recorded, etc., I would imagine AH being hesitant about releasing the tapes from Toronto. Nevertheless, we know there are at least two witnesses that know what was on those tapes, Amber and Johnny. For now, they remain a mystery to us.

[ForeverYoung]

I remember she took a hissy fit on one of the recordings when JD brought up Toronto, yelling and screaming that she didn't want to talk about it but also said he was not going to like it. Well, she has refused to produce it so that says a lot, just like she refused to produce the charity donations and looks how that turned out.

[AdeleAgain]

Are we sure she has refused to produce them?

From what I understand, the reason the recordings took so long to come out is because they had to be reconstructed or obtained from the phone company and apparently this isn't a quick process. So it took until January 2020 for them to emerge, even though Johnny made his complaint in VA in early 2019 was it? IF he had them then, they would have been in his original filings.

I believe what has happened is that Adam has been responsible for a very careful reconstruction and obtaining of evidence. Likely JD lost or simply didn't know where the recordings he had were, and he's probably had to sit through alot of questioning by Adam's team as to when they likely made recordings or when AH sent him recordings. And then once they had rough dates, they had to reconstruct the data. I am sorry I am not explaining this well - this is what has been explained to me by friends working in IT.

But he can only reconstruct what was on his phone at some point - if she didn't send him the Toronto tape then he can only get it from her - and wouldn't you known it, she's probably had difficulty getting it, the poor thing.

I agree - if she had any single text, recording whatever that vaguely helped her case we would have seen it by now I believe. She kept everything. And given that she has put into evidence stuff which doesn't actually slam dunk help her (only by innuendo and her giving a false context - eg where he apologies and criticises himself) - then she would have added anything vaguely useful. As David Sherborne brilliantly summed up, given her propensity to record everything where is the tape or the text which demonstrates he "knocked seven bells out of her" - there isn't one because it didn't happen.

[Granna]

Ok folks - I thought the tapes had been transcribed already. Team Depp asked for them to have them transcibed by their side. Depp said that the transcript keep saying that part was not audible.
Unless I have befuddled this in my mind. JD had to move to another room as she knocked the tar out of him. The next day, JD was sporting very dark sunglasses and shielding one side of his face. Wasn't AH the one yelling to STOP taking pics (close ups of his face)? Or have I mismashed totally different ecents together. This such an unholy cluster.

[AdeleAgain]

Goodness Granna the plot thickens! I didn't know about this and her yelling (how unlike her) for photos not to be taken (really unlike her!)

If anyone can suggest any thread or anything to enlighten me on this I'd love to see it. I thought that the last it was left - Team Depp had about 30 or so taped conversations which had been transcribed and which they were handing over in discovery. Or have I got that wrong?

[Granna]

AdeleAgain: If you can find the red carpet event (Danish Girl - I believe). If I remember correctly (I have senior moments), their arrival to the event, watch her body language something has gone on, she has a fake smile, controlling him, put a show on because the fans were yelling for JD, she decided to grab his face and kiss him .There is a pic of JD in his hat, dark dark sunglasses smiling with fans. ( the next morning) JD was sporting a black eye (right one , his face to me, anyway, looked swollen - righr side) AH was yelling at fans to stop (pics with JD). At first I thought it was just her jealousy, as fans at the red carpet event were more thrilled to see JD than her (probably why she beat the tar out of him). Now thinking back on it, she didn't want anyone to know she hit him. Hopefully, I haven't befuddled my memory of the clip. If you find it, please let me know. If you see what I saw, this lovely gentleman has gone to hell and back.

[ForeverYoung]

As for the Toronto tapes - JD was asking her for them back in 2015 when the recordings were done and she said she would send them to him. Listen at 3:15 minutes into the video. He left a fight to go to another another room.




I remember reading about JD being at the after party for The Danish Girl and she was not there. He left the event for a little while to go to the room then came back but still she would not come to the party.

[Chocolat]

Thanks to AdeleAgain, Granna and ForeverYoung for the additional information. So many of these dramatic events have overlapped in my mind as well that from time to time, I could use clarification. Now I need to search for those Danish Girl red carpet pics Granna mentioned.

[Snowcat]

OMG, that video was hard to listen to. It had me burying my face in my hands and cursing several times. Johnny really had a difficult relationship with that woman!! I heard so much gaslighting, twisting his words, talking over him, emotional abuse, name-calling, running hot and cold, cajoling, blaming, pretending to be the neglected victim, alternating with sweet talk to confuse, which often gets a victim to agree, etc. all by her. Or maybe he was just agreeing just to placate, I don't know. Johnny was really unbelievably patient, when at times, I would have expected him to yell.

[Snowcat]

I keep reading Johnny Depp and Amber Heard were mutually abusive, especially on Twitter, and got sick of hearing these LIES!! So, this is an article explaining that mutual abuse is RARE!! As if we didn't know that.

Thanks for this link, and thought-provoking article, Moonbeam! They are lies, I so agree! I am more than sick and tired of too many people still believing that DV is a "mutual abuse" dynamic, or that any victim of assault is somehow to blame. ie. if they would not provoke the abuser, it would not happen. And I guess they also think that serial killers are not 100% to blame for trapping, torturing, dismembering, and/or killing their victims in cold blood either. It makes me recall a time when I told a police officer of a serious threat I received from a man. I was told, "You must have done something to him, or he wouldn't have done that!" Uh, NO, not any more than the DV victim deserves to be hit and emotionally abused. It is the abuser or serial killer, or the psychopath who threatens to kill you, that has made that choice because that's who they are!! Nice, decent, kind-hearted people do not abuse others. Period! They may use self-defense when necessary, if they can, but that is not abuse!