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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:09 pm

Lbock thank you for posting and directing us to JD's wording - oh my goodness isn't he adorable? Even in a hostile deposition he is so polite and lovely. I loved how he answered each question following Ben's instruction. What a complete opposite to you-know-who. And any guesses as to the "missus" of the friend of his who runs his instagram? Gina?

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Unread post by Lbock » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:17 pm

AdeleAgain wrote:
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And any guesses as to the "missus" of the friend of his who runs his instagram? Gina?
Yes I think Gina

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Unread post by Someareborn » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:39 pm

I think its safe to say that JD meant Gina. Gina posted a photo and a text on her instagram recently with the latest court updates.

God, AH's lawyers are confused in light of Adams tweet. :perplexed:
When JD's team didn't argue that her legal fees were paid by an anonymus donor (aka Elon Musk) one of her lawyers just gave that little secret away. (And I can't remember Depp's team making this accusation)
Or, her lawyer checked pro Depp Twitter accounts too often and brought this theory in front of the judge accidently. Anyhow, he seems overwrought, and just put serious doubts in Elaines "narrative" why AH "could" not donate - which was of course a lie to begin with.
They certainly are the top lawyers of the industry! :harhar:

I want the full transcript of Jan. 8th hearing! Adam has it, so it has to be public somewhere?

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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:42 am

I am wondering really how well thought out Elaine's response was - it was a typical PR response but what sort of discussion might be going on in her legal team right now? Elaine confirmed AH lied under oath in her witness statement. Did Jen know she was going to say that? You have to think they had some sort of a strategy here - they've had months to prepare for this moment surely the statement was thought about. PR is one thing - they can spin to their simpering press all they like, but even some sympathetic press is saying that the dates don't make sense on why she hadn't donated. And for crying out loud - why on earth can't they bring themselves to put in the headlines that she lied?

I'd also love to read JD's three days of deposition or better still watch it.

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Unread post by Lbock » Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:56 am

Excellent video regarding the case that UK Depp team has cited in his appeal.

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Unread post by Lbock » Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:25 am

If you have some free time, here is another video I found very interesting going over Johnny's appeal he submitted.


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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:17 pm

I would not be surprised if one of Elon Musk's foundations are paying her legal fees. I could be wrong but I thought that request was brought up in one of JD's motions :perplexed2:
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Unread post by Someareborn » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:37 pm

AdeleAgain wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:42 am
I am wondering really how well thought out Elaine's response was - it was a typical PR response but what sort of discussion might be going on in her legal team right now? Elaine confirmed AH lied under oath in her witness statement. Did Jen know she was going to say that? You have to think they had some sort of a strategy here - they've had months to prepare for this moment surely the statement was thought about. PR is one thing - they can spin to their simpering press all they like, but even some sympathetic press is saying that the dates don't make sense on why she hadn't donated. And for crying out loud - why on earth can't they bring themselves to put in the headlines that she lied?

I'd also love to read JD's three days of deposition or better still watch it.
I could not agree more and I am even more disgusted with the media outlets. Is it so hard to call a lie a lie? Apperently so.

One thing about the timeline of the donations I don't understand. Why was 250.000 given to "Art of Elysium" anonymusly? They played no part in the legal battle until may 2020. And, if we can assume it was Elon who donated, why would he do it? Wasn't the donation made after their separation?
Or, was the donation to "Art oft Elysium" supposed to be another PR-Stunt?

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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:34 am

Art of Alysium is one of Amber's "beloved" charities although she didn't show up there last time there was a gala. I believe Jennifer Howell said that Amber promised Art of Elysium money from the settlement and when she got the money she gave them nothing so Jennifer called her out and then they got an annonymous check in her name.
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Unread post by justintime » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:48 am

Thanks so much, Lbock, for posting both recent, excellent videos: Johnny Depp v NGN/Dan Wooton - Guide to Case Law; and, Johnny Depp - Grounds of Appeal - Discussion. Well worth the time to listen, especially if one has already read Johnny’s request for permission to appeal, and NGN’s/Wooton’s vacuous response (in defense of Nicol’s equally vacuous Judgement).

Not to run off too much, but I have to admit I’ve found it almost amusing the way NGN/Wooton so earnestly defends Nicol’s wretched Judgement as chock full of lengthy, thoughtful, time consuming considerations of every “truth” statement put forth by the Defense when, in fact Nicol completed his feat in record time!

I remember when the trial finished (end of August) we were cautioned, given the complexity of the case, to not expect his Judgement until after Christmas at the earliest. Well, Nicol apparently fooled us all: not only did he “Short Cut” himself into releasing his decision by November 2nd, he managed to squeeze a full month (September) of vacation time in there as well!
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Unread post by meeps » Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:31 am

AdeleAgain wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:42 am
I am wondering really how well thought out Elaine's response was - it was a typical PR response but what sort of discussion might be going on in her legal team right now? Elaine confirmed AH lied under oath in her witness statement. Did Jen know she was going to say that? You have to think they had some sort of a strategy here - they've had months to prepare for this moment surely the statement was thought about. PR is one thing - they can spin to their simpering press all they like, but even some sympathetic press is saying that the dates don't make sense on why she hadn't donated. And for crying out loud - why on earth can't they bring themselves to put in the headlines that she lied?

I'd also love to read JD's three days of deposition or better still watch it.
What if they haven't had months to prepare?
I wouldn't put it past Amber to lie to her lawyers, and say she had donated all the money, until she couldn't keep up that lie any longer because JD's team proved she hadn't. So they had to scramble, and come up with something.
She of course turned it around, and blamed him for what she had done, as per usual ... And her befuddled lawyers ran with that line because they couldn't come up with any proper defence for her actions.

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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:11 am

It is an interesting thought Meeps.

Some lawyers friends of mine have told me that the less scrupulous lawyers will often judge when to stop asking questions of their clients so that they themselves are not fully appraised of inconvenient facts. Without asking the question "look Amber did you personally donate or not" they could have kept everything very formal and not directly asked, just simply advised her how to keep it out of the UK case for as long as possible.

As my friends explained that does often mean the legal strategy gets unstuck especially on long running cases.

What I find interesting is that in her WS for the UK, she did not actually box clever with her wording. Any reasonable reading of what she said would lead you to believe that she donated the divorce settlement herself. She could have said something like. "I received a seven million dollar divorce settlement. I ensured that money was donated to charity." But she actually said "the divorce settlement" was donated - ie the money she was given in her divorce was all given away.

That statement got past several NGN lawyers. I can absolutely be certain they did not press her on this - it simply wasn't in their interest to do so - she wasn't their client she was just a very useful witness. They were trying to win a case - why should they press her?

But her personal lawyer (ie Jen) had a responsibility to protect her. Jen should have stopped her from lying under oath, and therefore should have probed her statements. In addition it would have made sense for AH's US lawyers to also ensure that nothing that was said in the UK harmed their case in the US. It may have been Roberta Kaplan still when she wrote it (can't remember the date) or it was Elaine and Rottenborn.

Elaine was there throughout the trial - she at the very least read the WS. So how she can then possibly come out with the bullshit she has is beyond professional belief. But to give her her due - Elaine has at least told the truth that the donations were not made. And therefore AH lied under oath.

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Unread post by Lbock » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:25 am

Love her videos

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Unread post by hollyberry » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:52 pm

You know, I've probably posted this before, but my cousin and her husband visited a British beauty spot and in their hotel were a number of signed photos of famous guests. Johnny was one of them, and my cousin mentioned that she and her daughters are fans of his to the manager. He then quietly told her that in addition to being one of the nicest people he'd met, Johnny also refused a fee for donating the picture.
The man is a kind and generous soul, and I really hope he not only gets exonerated from these vile accusations but that the husband beater is well and truly thrashed in court. She deserves to have the book thrown at her.

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Unread post by Lbock » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:14 pm

hollyberry that is so lovely to hear.