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Unread post by Inquiring Minds » Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:53 am

I'm only up to point 55 of the counter-claim and wow.

Talk about doubling down. The counter-claim of course is SLAP, the very thing that they are claiming against Depp. And man, do they hate Adam? I stan Adam and I don't care if that upsets Amber. And the twitter users they targeted??!!!?

We shouldn't be surprised that this gaslighter is using the defamation case against her as cause to raise her own suit - she cancels him, the world, outraged merely attempts to cancel her, and she is the real victim, WTF? And the claim for $100m, that's doubling down.

To my mind she is using the counter-claim (and indirectly, the courts) to further her hoax. And doesn't she risk having the NDA (on a Californian case) overturned, revealing why she walked out of court with no restraining order, her allegations dismissed with prejudice and effectively no more than a car and a $7m donation from Johnny with her name on it? And it looks like she didn't pass the donation on....

And then there's that bit about the acknowledged large number of supporters hiding behind common outrage by sharing information, researching her lies etc. Ganging up on her, awwww. If we're not bots, we are puppets, or puppeteers, it gets so confusing.

The thing I found funniest was that we share information and discuss it (even using similar words and concepts) faster than is humanly possible.......that analytic company is gonna look so stupid when this is all over. They will probably try to sue Waldman for making them look like idiots and loss of income for revealing their incompetence.

Then they comment about journalists writing favourable pieces about Johnny, yet we have seen the likes of Rachel Adams using her press credentials to identify key individuals in the support network, then pass that to Amber's team to be dragged into the case. They even rang people's spouses at work. If that isn't blatant harassment, I don't know what is.

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Unread post by myfave » Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:05 am

She’s suing him now???
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Unread post by Lbock » Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:11 am

Judymac wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:35 am
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Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:05 am
How will that help her, please? No matter who subpoena JH it will be bad for Amber if JH sticks to the truth, right?
The side that brings in the witness does a direct examination. They can limit the subject matter of the examination. The other side can only cross examine on matters that have been brought up in the direct examination. Amber's side wants Jennifer Howell as a witness so that they can limit the scope of questions.
I googled a bit and I don’t think it’s as strict here in the USA vs what we saw for the UK trial

On cross a lawyer can ask leading questions. Attempt to discredit or impeach the witness. Can bring in prior statements if the conflict
https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/rese ... esses.html

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Unread post by Inquiring Minds » Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:19 am

One of the last items raised was that by suing Amber and sworn testimony being publicly available on the fairfax website, Waldman is harassing Amber. The twisted lies just get twistier.

My guess is that by making the claim double Johnny's, they are hoping to force a trial to be conducted in California and in front of a jury. She's been in front of a judge twice over this now and I'm guessing she knows they all see right through her. Maybe she figures she can tear up in front of a jury and convince them?

In attempting to gag social media, she already has control of the false narrative in the MSM, so she may have a jury onside. If she portrays herself as a victim to a naive audience, she may have the home ground advantage. How many potential jurors use/read twitter and are already following the justiceforjohnny threads? And would they be dismissed from selection because they understood the case? Anyway, if she wants to be judged by 12 of her peers, where would they find that many outside the local prison?

And if she can get the Virginia proceedings quashed, superseded by her lawsuit, she switches the onus of proof onto Depp, avoids any responsibility for her crimes and then can promptly drop the lawsuit, wipe her hands and walk away. She could even portray herself as humbly and magnanimously forgiving Johnny and be the compassionate face for metoo. She makes me sick.

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Unread post by nebraska » Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:24 am

Where does this woman's money come from? :facepalm: She can't possibly have made that kind of money herself.

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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:31 am

myfave wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:05 am
She’s suing him now???
Crossclaims are very common when filing an answer to a complaint but they are usually included in the answer. Johnny's team will be able to respond and I can't wait for this.
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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:33 am

nebraska wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:24 am
Where does this woman's money come from? :facepalm: She can't possibly have made that kind of money herself.
I almost rolled off my seat reading that she is claiming $100,000,000 in lost income. She would never even make that much in a lifetime. She is not even a B list actress. :harhar: :biglaugh: :rotflmao:
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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:38 am

I read the counterclaim and all I was thinking was WA WA WA!!!

This new lawyer doesn't' seem to realize is that Johnny has so many instagram followers and people on twitter supporting him is because is loved by fans all over the world while Amber simply is not. Period.
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Unread post by Judymac » Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:57 am

Lbock wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:11 am
Judymac wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:35 am
meeps wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:05 am
How will that help her, please? No matter who subpoena JH it will be bad for Amber if JH sticks to the truth, right?
The side that brings in the witness does a direct examination. They can limit the subject matter of the examination. The other side can only cross examine on matters that have been brought up in the direct examination. Amber's side wants Jennifer Howell as a witness so that they can limit the scope of questions.
I googled a bit and I don’t think it’s as strict here in the USA vs what we saw for the UK trial

On cross a lawyer can ask leading questions. Attempt to discredit or impeach the witness. Can bring in prior statements if the conflict
https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/rese ... esses.html
Yes, the attorney's can ask leading questions but the attorney's for the other side can also object to the leading questions. A good attorney will object to leading questions. A judge can also sustain a leading question if it strays too much from the original testimony. My original point was the reason for Amber's side to call Jennifer Howell is an attempt to limit what she can be asked. I am sure that with all of the witnesses there will be a lot of leading questions on both sides and a lot of objections on both sides.

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Unread post by Judymac » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:06 pm

Inquiring Minds wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:19 am
One of the last items raised was that by suing Amber and sworn testimony being publicly available on the fairfax website, Waldman is harassing Amber. The twisted lies just get twistier.

My guess is that by making the claim double Johnny's, they are hoping to force a trial to be conducted in California and in front of a jury. She's been in front of a judge twice over this now and I'm guessing she knows they all see right through her. Maybe she figures she can tear up in front of a jury and convince them?

In attempting to gag social media, she already has control of the false narrative in the MSM, so she may have a jury onside. If she portrays herself as a victim to a naive audience, she may have the home ground advantage. How many potential jurors use/read twitter and are already following the justiceforjohnny threads? And would they be dismissed from selection because they understood the case? Anyway, if she wants to be judged by 12 of her peers, where would they find that many outside the local prison?

And if she can get the Virginia proceedings quashed, superseded by her lawsuit, she switches the onus of proof onto Depp, avoids any responsibility for her crimes and then can promptly drop the lawsuit, wipe her hands and walk away. She could even portray herself as humbly and magnanimously forgiving Johnny and be the compassionate face for metoo. She makes me sick.
She can not just force a change of venue to California, that is not the way the system works. It is especially unlikely that there would be a change of venue from Virginia to California. Anyway, this is a civil case not a criminal case.

I think the idea of the proceedings being quashed but her lawsuit going forward is somewhat oversimplifying things.

The idea behind picking a jury is not to rule out anyone who has heard of Johnny Depp or Amber Heard but to find people who will judge the case fairly. Back in 1997 I was a juror on a case that involved the killing of a local police officer. It made the national news. When they did jury selection they knew that they would not find anyone who had not heard of this case. The questions that they asked (called voir dire) were about our attitudes towards what had happened and whether we could be impartial and fair. In high profile cases they know that they might not find people who have never heard of the parties so they focus on a juror's ability to be fair. Also (at least in a criminal trial) each side ha a certain number of challenges. They can dismiss a potential juror for any reason or no reason.

Amber Heard and her attorney's are not in charge of this case. The judge is in charge of the case. She is throwing out everything she can in desperation. That does not mean that she will get what she wants. I think in the past this judge has made rulings in favor of Johnny and I have no reason to believe he is anything but impartial.

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Unread post by Judymac » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:13 pm

Amber Heard's counter suit is just another sign of her desperation. She has new attorney's and this is their new approach. American lawsuits are kind of like a chess match. This is just another move in the chess match.

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Unread post by Granna » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:44 pm

This chess game is getting very old. We "bots" (AH's new claim) know nothing - however, this is a GOOD way to extend her 15 minutes in the spot light.

I hope Judge throws her and her cherry picking attorneys to the wolves.

This case needs to move onward and upward for JD's sake, his children, family as well as "true" victims of DV - regardless of age, color or gender.

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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:06 pm

Judymac wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:13 pm
Amber Heard's counter suit is just another sign of her desperation. She has new attorney's and this is their new approach. American lawsuits are kind of like a chess match. This is just another move in the chess match.
This new lawyer is just a clueless as Kaplan was regarding Johnny's fan base.
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Unread post by meeps » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:34 pm

Thanks a lot for answering my question :airkiss2:
Granna wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:44 pm
This chess game is getting very old. We "bots" (AH's new claim) know nothing - however, this is a GOOD way to extend her 15 minutes in the spot.
No, no, it's Johnny who is using the court cases to stay famous! Haven't you all heard? Amber says so herself, so it must be true. She'd after all never ever lie, savvy :flirt: ?

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Unread post by Judymac » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:52 pm

meeps wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:34 pm
No, no, it's Johnny who is using the court cases to stay famous! Haven't you all heard? Amber says so herself, so it must be true. She'd after all never ever lie, savvy :flirt: ?
Oh that's right. He is unpopular and she is worshipped. I wasn't thinking right since I am really a bot :harhar: :biglaugh: :spin: