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Unread post by Judymac » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:40 pm

So Johnny cut off his own finger and also burned his own face with a cigarette. How on earth can anyone believe one word from her mouth. :mad: :banghead:

Can anyone tell me what the Toronto incident was about? I am trying to read all of the transcript but I have been skipping parts of it because Amber Heard is such a :censored:

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AdeleAgain wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:11 pm
Had to just stop reading through Josh Drew's deposition. These people (AH and her friends) seem awful. They are awful to each other. I want to get this straight. Rocky lied/cheated on her husband. Rocky then apparently (although this is what AH told Josh) used a debit card and she and the guy she had the affair with (Kelly) lived in AH's house and had parties, ran up bills. iO had some physical altercation with Rocky.

AH reaches out to Josh weeks before he does his deposition in Virginia and they have a lovely cosy drink together. Hmmmmmm.

Meanwhile, police officers and building staff still didn't see any sign of a crime having been committed.
  • After Raquel cheated on Josh while in Australia, with Amber present and complicit--Anyone have any idea why Josh and the Police Officers statement on damage and injury don't match. I just can't imagine the LAPD lying. There was an internal inquiry and they stood by their statements. How and why would Josh lie?
  • And the whole peephole story: Obviously debunking Sean that he and Jerry were not waiting outside the condo, but had gone to their "cubby" so Raquel entered as she stated.
  • Who told Johnny that Ms. Pennington's ex-husband "advised that Ms. Pennington lied..." ? Josh categorically denies he every said this to Johnny or anyone.

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Unread post by Lbock » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:08 pm

Gonna answer part of my question above, having given it more thought...

why why why?

I think if Rocky, Josh, Melanie, IO, etc gave some declaration (legal sworn) or deposition back in 2016, that Kaplan is basically saying, if you don't stick with your original story we will file perjury charges. So they have no choice. (I mean Kaplan as in when Josh did his deposition). I think they were all warned, stick to your original story, or we will persue legal charges.

I can't find where Amanda DeCadenet actually gave a witness statement/or pro-AH declaration of any kind. I know she gave a new declaration to benefit Johnny in Virginia.

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Unread post by Victory » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:32 pm

Hi everyone! Although I’ve followed Johnny’s situation for years, this is my first post, because Laura’s question tugged at something I’ve been wondering. There were two sets of LAPD dispatched, weren’t there? The first set testified, proving that right after Johnny had left there was no damage. Was there ever any report or case made from the 2nd set? If they did show up and do a tour of the penthouses after the staged ‘destruction’, by CA law they’d have had to open a case file if they believed there was DV involved. So I’m wondering trying to figure out which is the likely scenario:
*The second LAPD call was dismissed before officers reached the building as it was a duplicate of the first call in which officers found no evidence of crime
Or
*the second set of LAPD officers walked the scene, saw the staged drama and opened a file. But an internal LAPD review found the discrepancy and closed it as they deemed it staged
Or
*just like the first officers dispatched, the second set of LAPD officers didn’t find anything and Josh Drew, et al are lying
Or
*there are details out there and the actual answer has already been explained and I missed it.

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Unread post by Cesar'sSusie » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:13 am

Hi, all night owls or maybe you're just getting up, but I have to say a few things before I can relax and go to sleep. Speaking of Josh Drew's testimony, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that AH paid him off. In what, $, or just wishes we'll never know. But what I do know with all my heart, is that Johnny never used violence against his ex-AH. END of Story.
Now there are times I wish I could tear out clumps of her 'precious' hair, but I'm not a violent person. :angel: (AH sure does like the idea of someone running around the house with her hair clutched in there hands, huh? :facepalm: )
I'm not a medical doctor or psychiatrist but I can put great big holes in AH's false accusations.
First, Any damage around the eye would have more buising and broken capillaries IN the eye! Next, this woman is sick, very sick.....if she has been diagnosed with just one of the many 'personality disorders', she needs help from a certified psychologist, psychiatrist and/or counselor. Do you see what I mean about these 'personality disorders'? One cannot Drink liquor or alcohol of any kind while taking the necessary prescription drugs that keep you anti-psychotic. Not to mention the many drugs she may or may not indulge in.
I am tired of this whole thing as I know you, all JD's Bosses, and Johnny D., his friends and family. But we know Amber Heard is the reason all this 'pooh' is happening. She only had to tell the truth, but she is in deep with her psychosis. It's really very sad.
Well, thanks for letting me vent my frustrations! Every one of you are bright stars in this dark earth time. We must plan a celebration on Zoom if things workout for sweet Johnny! :snoopydances: Namaste', friends! :hatsoff:
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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:25 am

Lbock wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:08 pm
Gonna answer part of my question above, having given it more thought...

why why why?

I think if Rocky, Josh, Melanie, IO, etc gave some declaration (legal sworn) or deposition back in 2016, that Kaplan is basically saying, if you don't stick with your original story we will file perjury charges. So they have no choice. (I mean Kaplan as in when Josh did his deposition). I think they were all warned, stick to your original story, or we will persue legal charges.

I can't find where Amanda DeCadenet actually gave a witness statement/or pro-AH declaration of any kind. I know she gave a new declaration to benefit Johnny in Virginia.
I am very disappointed in Josh Drew and so are a lot of other JD fans. He did say that Amber never sent a text to Raquel and now his story has changed. I thought he was a straight up guy who would tell the truth but I guess I was wrong. :no2: :mad: :smh:
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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:23 am

I agree I was quite shaken by Josh but I think this has a lot to do with the fact that we don't know everything going on and we probably all put too much store by the comment that he said Raquel wasn't in the apartment when she got the text.

Now I wonder where that came from because it is just not conceivable that JD would have made that up - so there was a misunderstanding or some hearsay. So I was wracking my brains all night about how damaging that is and here's where I am:

(1) No sane person can think AH is being truthful. If you have any doubts I beg you to read her own testimonies. The finger incident is enough. If someone chops off the end of their finger you would surely have seared into your brain when you knew that. Double so if you were there. She initially didn't say she was there. Then it was a wall. Then it was a phone and she was there. Then she was in bed asleep and came downstairs to find him with it injured (and took another day to get it treated). Then it was a phone and whilst he was beating her. We may have done at least one more - I was upstairs ...... no I was there I saw it yesterday. COME ON.

(2). Too many lies about May 2016. I get that it was probably erratic and fast moving and it is no surprise that recollections about where people were standing are different. But remember the key statements. Raquel immediately took a picture of the 'injury' it was red and swelling up. Yet not one single independent person saw that swelling. And what about all the other times she suffered these terrible beatings? Never any swelling at all. Never mind makeup - when eyes bruise there is swelling.

(3). Amid these contradictory accounts - which were always going to happen - the judge is going to have to rely on the independent witnesses. It would be an enormous thing for the judge to say that police officers (1) lied (2) didn't do their job properly. And they have no reason to lie. Let's suspend reality for a moment and say they didn't see a mark on her face. What about all the damage? Why would they lie about it? And be in no doubt AH's private detectives will have done a thorough number on both of them to see if they had any 'previous' which might be exploited.

(4) Then there is the building staff. JD doesn't live there any more - he has no hold over them. Yet they all said - no injuries. Independent witnesses.

I could go on and on. But back to Mr Drew. Yes it is possible AH got to him in some way. I am going to brace myself to read the rest of his deposition - I was so disgusted last night with the awful way that bunch of friends treated each other - leave alone the man that funded them all. I have one thought about him - and that is how all of this has made him feel. He lived rent free (yes I am sure he offered to pay, in the full knowledge JD would never accept). His wife's best friend was apparently being beaten up but he never said or did anything. He lets his wife go over to an apartment where an enraged abuser is kicking up trouble - and he just what? Watches TV? Come off it. As for the story of him taking the phone down stairs and squaring off to Jerry Judge? That to me just smacks of him subsequently trying to be the hero.

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Unread post by RumLover » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:35 am

I had no expectation of Josh Drew being a truth teller after he was listed as a witness for News Group (ie Amber Heard).
I don't think Amber's witnesses are bribed. I can believe they are blackmailed.
Amber has recorded conversations for years. It is not difficult to believe that she has recordings of many people who visited her.
If there is a recording that implicates Josh in the post 22 May 2016 damage, then that is something to threaten him with.
For this to be the case, there would have to be another recording device (in addition to her phone) as the recordings on the phone have been found in discovery.
My speculation has been wrong before so could be again.

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Unread post by FlowerBySea » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:56 am

I was also confused about the other 2 cops who showed up later, but I figured since they didn't observe anything interesting, they just weren't called as witnesses by either party. Surely it's known who they were and what they had to say about it - it's just not relevant?
AdeleAgain wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:05 pm
FlowerBySea - my speedy reading is because I skip the bits where the judge juggles his files around and says hold on!

We don't know what happened in Toronto exactly they just refer to it. But we do know that JD was asked not to show up on the red carpet for Danish Girl and she insisted he did; we've also seen them get out of the car and the look on her face when people are screaming for him (what did she expect).
Ha, I catch myself reading through the file searching all the time and actually trying to follow along :lol:

I remember about that premiere now! The studio didn't want Johnny to show up because he would steal Eddie Redmayne's thunder on the red carpet. Who knows what went on in their hotel room before / after that event...
AdeleAgain wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:23 am
It would be an enormous thing for the judge to say that police officers (1) lied (2) didn't do their job properly. And they have no reason to lie. Let's suspend reality for a moment and say they didn't see a mark on her face. What about all the damage? Why would they lie about it?
It doesn't make any sense from a sane person's point of view. What I feel Amber is trying to insinuate is that the cops were lazy / didn't feel like doing more follow-up paperwork etc. so they didn't file a proper report. That's why she said "I can understand why they would say they didn't see anything".
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Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:35 am
I had no expectation of Josh Drew being a truth teller after he was listed as a witness for News Group (ie Amber Heard).
Me too, I don't expect anything positive from any of her witnesses. The only interesting bit is seeing if they contradict each other, or repeat each other's statements word by word.

I might just skip over Josh Drew, his testimony seems to depress everyone here. I remember when I first dug a little deeper into the domestic abuse allegations, how shocked I was that violence just seems to be a part of this group of people's lives.
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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:03 am

Lbock or whoever else said it - you are correct Josh did make a statement. He is asked on page 130/131 of his deposition and he confirms he gave Samantha Spector a statement of 21 May incident. So, like the others - he was committed.

When you read his answers, it is all very vague (note to AH - it is actually easier to lie if you aren't too specific and then say you can't recall specifically. Just offering some advice....)

Q Were you with Rocky when she received that 12:01
11 text?
12 A Yes.
13 Q Wasn't she already in Penthouse 3 as of
14 8:06 p.m.?
15 A When she received the text, she was not in 12:01
16 Penthouse 3. She was in Penthouse 5 with me. But,
17 again, I can't -- I -- I can't recall with
18 specificity the exact time of these events.
19 Q How do you explain why Mr. Bett and
20 Mr. Judge never saw Ms. Pennington enter PH 3 that 12:01
21 evening?
22 MS. VIGLIETTA: Objection. Lacks
23 foundation; calls for speculation; assumes facts not
24 in evidence.
25 THE WITNESS: I'm not going to speculate. 12:02

And I like this one:

I appreciate that, but was there any -- is
5 it your testimony that there was cleanup done 01:37
6 between the time of the alleged incident and the
7 time that Officer Saenz arrived?
8 A I honestly don't recall. We were not
9 expecting police officers, so we weren't looking to
10 preserve -- to preserve anything.

We were not expecting officers? The police had been called - you had already said that!

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Unread post by Lunarose » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:15 am

AdeleAgain wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:59 pm
And it is not for me to be insulted but I'd be less incensed if she wasn't so appalling about other people - I am particularly furious today (as you'll see as it is the second time I've come on here to vent, apologies) but the claim he doesn't like strong, independent women. Winona Ryder, Kate Moss, Vanessa Paradis I would say are all a great deal more strong and independent than she has been and more successful. He seemed fine with their careers.
Absolutely! Did she have to bring Kate Moss in this! It’s disgusting! And Kate Moss has a goddess status in London so she knew she would sell papers.
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Cesar'sSusie wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:13 am
Hi, all night owls or maybe you're just getting up, but I have to say a few things before I can relax and go to sleep. Speaking of Josh Drew's testimony, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that AH paid him off. In what, $, or just wishes we'll never know. But what I do know with all my heart, is that Johnny never used violence against his ex-AH. END of Story.
Now there are times I wish I could tear out clumps of her 'precious' hair, but I'm not a violent person. :angel: (AH sure does like the idea of someone running around the house with her hair clutched in there hands, huh? :facepalm: )
I'm not a medical doctor or psychiatrist but I can put great big holes in AH's false accusations.
First, Any damage around the eye would have more buising and broken capillaries IN the eye! Next, this woman is sick, very sick.....if she has been diagnosed with just one of the many 'personality disorders', she needs help from a certified psychologist, psychiatrist and/or counselor. Do you see what I mean about these 'personality disorders'? One cannot Drink liquor or alcohol of any kind while taking the necessary prescription drugs that keep you anti-psychotic. Not to mention the many drugs she may or may not indulge in.
I am tired of this whole thing as I know you, all JD's Bosses, and Johnny D., his friends and family. But we know Amber Heard is the reason all this 'pooh' is happening. She only had to tell the truth, but she is in deep with her psychosis. It's really very sad.
Well, thanks for letting me vent my frustrations! Every one of you are bright stars in this dark earth time. We must plan a celebration on Zoom if things workout for sweet Johnny! :snoopydances: Namaste', friends! :hatsoff:
:agreesign: Cesar'sSusie and thank you :hug2:

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Unread post by Stellastar » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:27 am

Adele, that is a really good point about Josh Drew living in such close proximity to regular and extreme abuse and having an insight into it because of his wife's relationship with the abused and yet......... crickets. All of the injuries she alleges and not one person in the small army of support both of them were surrounded by daily noticed or attempted to ring any alarm bells.

As much as victims try to hide abuse, as extreme amd regular as she claims it was, people would know something was wrong. Most times the only people victims are successful at hiding the abuse from is themselves until they come out of denial. (Johnny is actually a good example of that). It is part of the isolation of abuse. The victim doesn't want to hear anything bad about the abuser or the relationship (because then they have to do something about it and they aren't ready yet), people know what is going on and can't do anything about it, the abuser knows they know and encourgaes the distance, relationships break off.

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Unread post by FlowerBySea » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:58 am

I don't know if this has been posted before, but I just found this lovely lady analyzing one of their recorded conversations (the one we got the full version of this week - but this video is from February). I thought this might be interesting for y'all, too. She's very calm with good insight and I like how she gives a disclaimer in the beginning that you can't armchair diagnose a person from afar.



She reminds me a bit of Juliette Lewis, too.
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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:34 am

Yes she has done a few videos they are very insightful. AH is now giving evidence about her father being violent - sounds very bad but I am getting this from the Sky news feed which you can sometimes get a sense of what is occurring but misses out loads. I've long assumed AH watched her father be violent to her mother - all makes total sense.

Stellastar, warming to my theme of Josh - what incenses me most about this pack of grifters is that they all supposedly knew she was being abused and yet not only did they never confront or intervene, they seem to have sat and had jolly family meals and parties with him. I can see an argument for sticking close by the victim but I would choke to eat the food of her abuser. And we still come back to the fact that if JD was abusing her he must be the first manipulative, lying abuser ever to allow his victim free access to a large support network of family and friends. She wasn't isolated.

So there are two possibilities regarding Josh, Raquel, Whitney, Melanie: they are either lying now to save themselves (which I think the evidence supports), or they are vacuous parasites, willing to sit by and do nothing whilst their friend is abused because they are enjoying the high life.