The Lawsuits Thread

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Unread post by Inquiring Minds » Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:15 am

Apologies - that should be Adam Waldman.

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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:54 am

That is an interesting take on the text about the booze and pills – lack of pronouns, hmmm. I think if this gets to trial the context is going to be pretty interesting.

I just can’t describe how appalled I am at the mainstream media – papers I used to think were reasonable – just jumping on this one text and describing it as a “death threat” – when they totally ignored the recent audios. The Guardian I found particularly offensive – a one sided view which cites what she says. Police officers? Independent witnesses? Ok, witnesses who still work for him? Audio? Photos? CCTV? No?

As I’ve said before I think this is going to be a rough couple of weeks. The Sun has done what TMG and the lawyers did. In the absence of an actual case we’ll just throw dirt. I am reminded of Stephen Deuters comments about Stephen Roddrick or whatever his name was who wrote the Rolling Stone article which endlessly repeated both Amber and TMG’s version of events. When TMG had to pay up, he said something about it being embarrassing to be on the wrong side of history.

On the leaked texts – I believe the position is this. If JD’s side sent them then the other side can use them – even if sent by mistake. I’m assuming Johnny will not be getting a big discount off the bill from those lawyers!

I looked at the paper today in puzzlement and then I think I may have worked out what is going on – could they be prepping the way for their narrative to be “oh shock horror, she couldn’t get a fair hearing …. look he could make death threats but still our misogynistic society protects men”. I find it staggering that the Guardian is helping the Sun. Just staggering.

This article is very good https://spectator.us/believe-Johnny-depp-amber-heard/ if people are on social media it would be great to spread as others have been.

My favourite of the morning though has to be Ray Leone’s tweet:

“I need #AmberHeard’s publicist...

She takes a s**t in a bed and is still considered sexy...

She admits to abusing my boy #JohnnyDepp on a recording and no mainstream media covers it...

She takes a couple of text messages out of context and receives a wave of public support..”

I don’t know about the public support – does anyone else have a sense? The newspapers these days are so weakened – so many get their news via other means – I’ve gone through the twitter hashtags and I can’t see an overwhelming swing to her?

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Unread post by RumLover » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:09 am

ForeverYoung wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:16 am
Let's not forget with technology these days and a lot of law firms doing things electronically, it isn't hard to accidentally attach the wrong link or set documents, a computer glitch, clerical error, whatever. In my work I accidentally attached the wrong set of documents to an e-mail and even though I recalled it the recipient still received the e-mail. However, I was able to call and give a heads up before they opened the attachment, which was confidential. OOPS! :smh:
Given that the Sun has a history of hacking phone records, I would not put it past them to try something like attaching a trojan to an email that searches the recipients device for files or emails. Such a trojan might not be picked up by anti-virus as it would be purpose written and not have a known virus signature. Although the behavior might be identified as suspicious which would be risky.
As a systems administrator, I have written code that was designed to collect records from company computers and sometimes it was flagged as a virus and I had to made changes.

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Unread post by Inquiring Minds » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:38 am

AdeleAgain - regarding the leaked texts, this was most likely accidental (its very easy to have stuff in the history of an email thread that has not been cleared). Maybe someone clicked on the wrong filename or was attaching a block of files this was buried in. Johnny has had problems with his previous USA lawyers but I haven't heard anyone suggesting this was anything other than an error here.

My conspiratorial nature means I prefer to think that this was a deliberate DOS attack by Depp's lawyers. They flooded them with 70,000 bot generated psuedo-conversations sprinkled with lots of phrases like "I hope the Hollywood Vampires are a HIT", "That local alcohol sure packs a PUNCH" and "A cold beer is like liquid AMBER on a hot day". A few like the ones just leaked are actually an elaborate sting to have the Heard team inadvertently reveal their devious plan...... I can wish.

Just a legal aside, if a cache of fictitious text messages did end up with the Heard team in the manner these ones arrived, would Depp's team be under any obligation to let them know they aren't true (not having been part of the legally requested data)?

Then again, this post could be just to make the Heard team (should they be looking) doubt their source material, wonder what was NOT included and basically just double guess themselves......

Watching as each lawsuit has progressed (going through the older pages), each reveals another part of a larger whole, incrementally building a legally pre-accepted evidence base that is then used to attack the next, larger target. Whatever comes out of this trial will be public and even if slightly damaging to Johnny, it will be ammunition in the VA case (imo). Certainly with the intra-USA cases, to refute each accepted point of evidence would require that other judgments be overturned.

I can't help thinking that there is something new to be revealed via the SUN case that will support the VA case whilst also exposing The Sun and/or Amber to further litigation (probably by a third party).

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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:32 am

Inquiring Minds: you've lost me a bit on further litigation but I do hope you are right and more evidence comes out which helps in Virginia.

As to the veracity of the 70 thousand texts - all I can say is that the punishment and rules around disclosure in the US and UK are (quite rightly) draconian. Putting in knowingly false evidence is just not something I believe any respectable law firm would do. The partners would not be allowed to practice again if caught and likely go to prison.

I have no inside knowledge obviously but just taking on face value what has been said - someone on JD's legal team in London, inadvertently sent the wrong evidence pack to the opposition's lawyers. This would have understandably led to a massive row and probably complete loss of trust. The lawyers themselves may have chosen to step aside as they internally investigate. If it was some poor junior person - there will be questions about whether the right checks were in place before sending anything (Clearly not). There are often incidents/mistakes during litigation which mean the lawyers have to withdraw.

I wish I could stop all of this going around and around in my head. Mainly my questions are (1) will this actually get to court. Part of me thinks this is a stand off, but part of me thinks that both sides actually want it too. I don't think JD can accept anything less than a full apology with the Sun spelling out exactly how they were wrong. But he may actually prefer the evidence to be heard in court. For the Sun - this will be a sensational story especially if Amber turns up - and they've got the inside scoop.

(2) Will Amber really turn up. On what we've seen so far you would really think that she shouldn't. But her personality is a key factor here - she will revel the attention. Can she really bear not to be part of it?

(3) Have her US lawyers advised her to cooperate with the Sun or at least seem to cooperate - because then at the Sun's expense - more evidence may emerge which can help her, or if not evidence to help - more headline grabbers. The news that she is attending still feels odd to me - and I wonder if that is just all part of the tactics as this stage with three weeks to go.

(4) are the friends going to show up and which ones? Again the way that was said just felt very casual.

It's too busy and noisy in my head, to misquote a favourite character.

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Unread post by salete » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:42 pm

Thank you girls for so many clarifications. :thankyou:

It is difficult for us to understand all of this, both due to the legal content, as well as the different language of our country and legal systems. :worldhug:

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Unread post by meeps » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:20 pm

My thought, AdeleAgain, is that Amber won't turn up. She will talk big, but it will end like with her dispositions; she will "chicken out"
But we will of course have to wait and see. And yeah, I am impatient, too :blush:

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Unread post by Lbock » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:42 pm

His lawyers said she is making "new horrible allegations" so I fully expect her to be there in person. I think many of her witnesses maybe on video. But they are bringing it. I'm sure her lawyers are pushing her. I also think, at this point in discovery, she is going to take somethings they got, and pull it out of context and wrap some scenario story around it. She may even use where she said "he ripped off her night gown" in australia. It will come down to he said/she said and if she is credible, therefore they won't be able to prove out right perjury. IMO It's only about what the media will report anyway

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Unread post by justintime » Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:40 pm

And to Lbock’s point, a new JM/Medium piece from her Twitter page:



Thanks, Lbock.

>Whatever the new “horrible allegations” against JD maybe, they’ve apparently been there all along but it is only now that she is going to pursue them?? Or are these newly contrived/remembered atrocities? Are they part of her VA Defense?

>And these are the “events” her witnesses are going to “testify” to?

>Are her witnesses testifying as witnesses for The SUN? Can JD’s team use anything these witnesses have contributed to the VA suit - e.g. statements made under oath - when questioning these pillars of truth and justice?

>Has AH filed any documents with the court(s) about these horrific “events” or did she just make The SUN privy to them, leaving The SUN to somehow incorporate them into its Defense?

>What attorneys/firms now make up JD’s VA team? I’m still confused . . ,

>Bottomline: The SUN may get what it wanted right from the beginning of this lawsuit - AH on the hot seat, testifying in court. Whatever histrionics she may resort to for added effect, the transcript will follow her back to VA.

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Unread post by Scout » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:05 pm

Thank you to Inquiring Minds and Adele-Again. Great analysis on all fronts. I am amazed that the UK media has such a big roll in this.

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Unread post by Lbock » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:26 pm

AH is a third party witness for The Sun case. I only read Johnny’s attorney says she is making new horrible allegations. I can only think based on some things she’s already claimed (Johnny being high and drunk in Australia and tearing off her nightgown, or other times including blackouts so he may not remember afterwards) she may further elaborate some situation. OR through their discovery in VA and these texts (for example) they may try to contrive a scenario to create or imply some new claim (he said /she said situation). I’m just guessing All speculation (timing is also interesting after Weinstein found guilty on third degree rape. Witness claims: )

I think her involvement may be because of the damaging audios. She is desperate now I think. Her best chance to get VA dismissed or create a show of a credible defense that it’s in her best interest for The Sun to win.

Her friends will be witnesses for The Sun to bolster their truth defense that Johnny is a wife-beater

I think in the UK in lieu of depositions all those giving testimony have to submit a detailed witness statement so both sides have something prepared for court

I believe anything brought out in this trial can and will be used in VA unless the U.K. makes it confidential. AH is asking she give testimony in private 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:50 pm

Well so far she hasn't produced anything that prove her allegations which would stand up in court and her friends are proven liars who never witnessed anything so she can flap her gums all she wants. If she had anything real she would have produced it in her VA case which she is loosing so now she is desperate.
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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:05 pm

Lbock wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:26 pm
Ah is a third party witness for The Sun case. .....
I'm just wondering where you read she will be a third party witness because the last I heard was that the only way she could do that was to get a judge in CA to allow her to break the NDA.
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Unread post by Lbock » Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:09 pm

Adam Waldman said they wouldn’t stop her to testify in the case. They just wouldn't release her from the blanket NDA. Since she is giving evidence and none of Johnny’s lawyers have made a statement otherwise, they must have worked something out. However, I think they will fight the motion for her to give evidence in private


Mr Justice Nicklin said Depp had stated clearly in his evidence to the court that he expects Heard “may well” give evidence in the proceedings, and “he will not attempt to prevent that”.

He added: “The fact that Ms Heard presently thinks that there is some impediment to her giving evidence for the defendants is nothing to do with Mr Depp.

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sun-fail ... ter-claim/

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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:20 pm

Yes, Johnny said he would not stop her from testifying but on the other hand, he wasn't releasing her from the NDA either, and the only way she can talk about things if she applied to the courts in CA for a judge to lift the NDA. It get begins at paragraph 26.

https://dam.tmz.com/document/db/o/2018/ ... fc5f89.pdf
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