Chocolat Question #32 ~ Another Level?

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Chocolat Question #32 ~ Another Level?

Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:08 am

Chocolat has been called a fable. Do you see the story as a fable or an allegory?

Here are the definitions of fable and allegory:


Fable: A brief story or poem that is told to present a moral, or practical lesson. The characters in fables are often animals who speak or act like human beings.


Allegory: Prose or verse in which the objects, events or people are presented symbolically, so that the story conveys a meaning other than and deeper than the actual incident or characters described. Often, the form is used to teach a moral lesson.



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Unread postby Liz » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:18 am

In my dictionary the #2 definition of a fable is: A story about supernatural, mythological or legendary characters or events. So that has something to do with my choice.

This is a very tough qusetion, and I suppose it could go either way. There is a moral—and that is to be more tolerant. But there is much symbolism but no animals who speak or act like humans except for maybe Pantoufle. I don’t really think that any of the events are supernatural, mythological or legendary. It’s more about real people in any town who are intolerant of those who are different.
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Unread postby Betty Sue » Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:33 pm

I definitely felt that it was written in an allegorical style with a moral of tolerance and love. The townspeople, in general, were sheep, following this way or that. The priest represented a harsh, unfeeling religion. Vianne was a breath of fresh air. Roux was the minority outsider. And so on..... I felt that the characters were very broadly drawn to put across certain points.
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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:10 pm

If I had to choose one I would say allegory over fable. It doesn't really have the classic fable style but I can see it on an allegorcial level with, as you said Betty Sue, the different characters representing tolerance, religion, discrimination, freedom, etc.
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Unread postby lizbet » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:04 pm

DITHOT you are going to make us think on the eve of a holiday weekend :canada: Happy Canada Day tomorrow ladies for those that live north of the US border - well I'll have to come back with a thoughtful post but I had to share 'a Johnny moment' with you -

I went out JUST to get my ticket for the first showing of PIRATES and well I guess I finally took the plunge and am now officially all in "obsessed wise" that is - I went to BLOCKBUSTERS to get a movie or two and came back with Platoon, Donnie B., From Hell, ES, CATCF, and Corpse Bride - well they were all previously viewed dvd's and on sale!?!!?!? - add those to six other dvd's and the grand total is now a dozen with everything else moviewise on hometaped videos waiting to be replaced - oh yes - I even bought the PIRATES M&M's - :capnjack: how bad does it get when you even buy candy with the man's face on it :blush:

ok enough blathering - I am going to put my treasures away and try and find some equilibrium - just thought that those of you who are already obsessed might get a chuckle from my afternoon - June 30, 2006 I am officially 'all in' now to decide what to watch first and I promise I will consider the question of myth or fable - promise :disco:

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Unread postby Liz » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:39 pm

lizbet wrote: ok enough blathering - I am going to put my treasures away and try and find some equilibrium - just thought that those of you who are already obsessed might get a chuckle from my afternoon - June 30, 2006 I am officially 'all in' now to decide what to watch first and I promise I will consider the question of myth or fable - promise :disco:


I did have a chuckle, Lizbet. I don't even eat the M&M's. It's been an unopened package for 2 months now, just sitting next to my computer. :lol:
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Unread postby fansmom » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:53 pm

Liz wrote:I did have a chuckle, Lizbet. I don't even eat the M&M's. It's been an unopened package for 2 months now, just sitting next to my computer. :lol:
I've got the unopened M&M's and the unopened cereal. :blush:

Ok, and thinking about today's question--Chocolat certainly seems to fit the definition of an allegory and not that of a fable. I'm not sure how "deep" that moral is ("Be more tolerant!"), though. (And if my tolerance of others doesn't include the intolerant, am I really tolerant?)

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Unread postby lizbet » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:57 pm

did I mention that I carried them home in my new 'tote bag' :blush: now I'm off to put them in chronological order of when in theatres and watch starting with Corpse Bride and work my way back to his earliest - what are holiday weekends for if you can't hole up alone with Johnny Depp and a great big jug of iced tea :blush: see you on Monday :blush:

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Unread postby Liz » Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:02 am

fansmom wrote:
Liz wrote:I did have a chuckle, Lizbet. I don't even eat the M&M's. It's been an unopened package for 2 months now, just sitting next to my computer. :lol:
I've got the unopened M&M's and the unopened cereal. :blush:

Ok, and thinking about today's question--Chocolat certainly seems to fit the definition of an allegory and not that of a fable. I'm not sure how "deep" that moral is ("Be more tolerant!"), though. (And if my tolerance of others doesn't include the intolerant, am I really tolerant?)


There is a proper time to be tolerant and an improper time. :lol:

And Fansmom, the kids just love the CJS cereal. But it is so decadent--a little like the good captain. :capnjack:

And I forgot to say earlier:

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Unread postby gilly » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:53 am

I think it is an allegory...the story can be read as it is ,and it can be read symbolically...chocolate being a metaphor for freedom and choice,the dark man ,a metaphor for intolerance and bigotry..e.t.c.
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Unread postby Liz » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:28 am

gilly wrote:I think it is an allegory...the story can be read as it is ,and it can be read symbolically...chocolate being a metaphor for freedom and choice,the dark man ,a metaphor for intolerance and bigotry..e.t.c.


Good points, Gilly. :cool:
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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:29 am

lizbet, I'd say you're a goner! :thud:
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Unread postby Raven » Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:31 pm

I think like you all it is an allegory, but saying it is a fable sounds cooler!

Hey Lizbet what took you so long? :biglaugh:
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Unread postby gilly » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:59 am

When I think of fables,I think of Aesop's fables..If only Pantoufle could talk :bounce: :capnjack:
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