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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:01 pm 
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Endora points out that everyone even Armande and Guillaume, are likeable characters they are not perfect, only human! :cool:



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Like many of the characters in the book, I could identify with Guillaume. The decision to put a beloved pet 'to sleep' is a tough one. Yes, he was selfish to let Charly go as long as he did, but I understand. It's difficult to know when you should do that. The dog can't tell you how he feels, and a one good day holds more weight than several bad ones in the decision making process. Besides, I think he learned from his experience with Charly. I think his role in Armande's life (or the end of it) showed that he had learned a bit about the importance of dying with dignity.

GUillaume seemed to have a good head on his shoulders and to see things for what they really were, instead of what the church or Reynauld said they were. He didn't often speak out, or act out, but he knew what was what, and he could stand his ground when he needed to.



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Could you say that G. was weak because of his treatment of his dog, how he delayed having Charley put down? And what about how he continued to feed the dog sugar/chocolate? Was his kindness a sort of accidental cruelty? The sort of cruelty that comes from self-preservation? You could say he was doing these things to protect his own feelings rather than making the dog's best interests his highest priority. He was using the dog as a means to an end rather than as an end in itself, and that means to an end was the end of not facing up to his own lonliness. So, because the dog was treated in this way, maybe you could say that G. was not the gentleman that he appeared, because he was more sorry for himself than he was for the dog.

Note, as a sort of apology: Sorry I am being so negative about all the characters recently. I am rereading the book and also in the middle of some studying about moral principles, and it has resulted in me seeing everything in the worst possible light. I don't mean to offend, but rather to try to bring out a different way of thinking.


The devil's advocate is always welcome, as far as I'm concerned. (don't take that the wrong way :lol: ) It makes the discussion interesting and exercises our brains.

I think that when you are in the middle of a situation like that it is hard to think rationally and objectively about it. And, unfortunately dogs can't talk and tell you how they feel. As Bix pointed out, he admitted he kept Charly alive too long. And I think he felt bad about it. And in giving the dog chocolates and sugar he probably thought he was improving his quality of life while the dog was still around. If it was cruelty it was "accidental" as you said. I'm guilty of feeding things to my dog that probably are not prolonging her life--but she's sure a happy dog.



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Liz wrote:


I'm guilty of feeding things to my dog that probably are not prolonging her life--but she's sure a happy dog.


But lasagna Liz?

I liked Guillaume. He was quiet, gentle but seemed stronger than some in standing his ground. I related to him and his dog. I am guilty of the same thing.



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Gypsylee wrote:
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I'm guilty of feeding things to my dog that probably are not prolonging her life--but she's sure a happy dog.


But lasagna Liz?

I liked Guillaume. He was quiet, gentle but seemed stronger than some in standing his ground. I related to him and his dog. I am guilty of the same thing.


:biglaugh: :shhh: Made an impression on you, huh? I thought all dogs loved lasagna. Wait a minute..... I guess that would be cats (Garfield).



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Liz wrote:
Gypsylee wrote:
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I'm guilty of feeding things to my dog that probably are not prolonging her life--but she's sure a happy dog.


But lasagna Liz?

I liked Guillaume. He was quiet, gentle but seemed stronger than some in standing his ground. I related to him and his dog. I am guilty of the same thing.


:biglaugh: :shhh: Made an impression on you, huh? I thought all dogs loved lasagna. Wait a minute..... I guess that would be cats (Garfield).


Speaking of spoiling a dog........by the looks of my dogs you'd think I fed them all kinds of fun stuff, but all they get is that dry boring stuff. If I fed them like Guillaume fed his dog, or you too Liz for that matter, they wouldn't fit through the door.



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Guillaume- a sweet innocent and beguilling gentleman who was really a loney, loney man who lived in the past -wishing for his hearts desires while refusing to accept what was staring him in the face - an old and sick companion.
For any pet lover it is always a heart rending choice:
the selfishness of keeping the infirm animal alive or to let
it go.

He was a cutie - how could you but adore him - he
lives in all of us



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Guillaume and his dog, as sweet as they were, seemed to me to be written to foreshadow of Armande's choice, and to make us think of quality-of-life and end-of-life decisions. I think he also served to point out the hypocrisy concerning those decisions in the community (and especially in the priest).


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fansmom wrote: Guillaume and his dog, as sweet as they were, seemed to me to be written to foreshadow of Armande's choice, and to make us think of quality-of-life and end-of-life decisions.


I had not thought of that connection, fansmom. It does make sense! :cool:



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