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 Post subject: F&LILV Question #19 - He had the Music
PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:18 am 
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From the CSPAN Tribute to HST. Frank Mankiewicz: (In reference to Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail) "I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, that book is the most accurate and the least factual of that campaign. We like to put people down now and then who are too serious. We say, well they’ve got the words but they don’t have the music. Hunter Thompson had the music and not often the words." Comment on how these words pertain to F&LILV.

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Hunter always cut to the chase...he didn't mince words..he smacked you in the face with them..and more often than not, you had to agree with him. I guess it was musical in a way, as alot of what he had to say, you'd like to hear spoken aloud and over and over so that it's meaning could sink in...much like you listen to a favorite song over and over. Plus, his commentary made you laugh out loud, unlike most of the dry stuff we read in our morning papers.


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Charlene wrote:
I guess it was musical in a way, as alot of what he had to say, you'd like to hear spoken aloud and over and over so that it's meaning could sink in...much like you listen to a favorite song over and over. Plus, his commentary made you laugh out loud, unlike most of the dry stuff we read in our morning papers.


I love to hear his words read or spoken outloud (i.e. The Wave and various other one-liners). I never tire of some of them.



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I love to hear his words read or spoken outloud (i.e. The Wave and various other one-liners). I never tire of some of them.


I agree.
As to the question, My first impulse is to say that Hunter has both the music AND the words. They may not have been the words some people wanted to hear and perhaps the music wasn't their style, but Hunter never held back. He wrote what he thought.

And, I must admit the phrase "most accurate and the least factual" in reference to his writing about the campaign, delights me everytime I read it! It is so Hunter.

Looking forward to hearing others thoughts on the question.
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I'm not sure I get what he is saying here. I thought Hunter had both! I'll have to read what you all think later tonight and then maybe I'll see what he is trying to get at. :eyebrow:



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As to the question, My first impulse is to say that Hunter has both the music AND the words. They may not have been the words some people wanted to hear and perhaps the music wasn't their style, but Hunter never held back. He wrote what he thought.


I think he had both, too, personally. And I think that maybe his musical way of making a statement made it more appealing to some to read about. Because so much of it was hilarious more people could handle the truth he was trying to impart, even if they disagreed with it.



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I though of Mankiewicz comment was an interpretation of the whole right brain/left brain theory. Words are cerebral making them a left brained: logical, rational, and analytical. Music is visceral and emotional making it right brained: intuitive, subjective and impulsive. We feel music and process words. I think what he was saying is that the reading Hunter gives an authentic experience of “being there” even if details and facts don’t always hold up to scrutiny. Funny… I don’t actually agree with his opinion, but I think that’s what he was trying to say.



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Oh, I have the perfect chance to post one of my favorite Hunter quotes! It's quite fitting. Eerily so, almost...

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“I heard the music, and I wrote to it. Some people beat drums. Some people strum guitars. It’s all in the music you hear.”
-Hunter S. Thompson


Wow! I agree with you all - he had the music and the words. I wish I had more time to spend in here but I'm off to work. I'll look forward to reading more responses tomorrow. :cloud9:



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abigail wrote:
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Oh, I have the perfect chance to post one of my favorite Hunter quotes! It's quite fitting. Eerily so, almost...

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“I heard the music, and I wrote to it. Some people beat drums. Some people strum guitars. It’s all in the music you hear.”
-Hunter S. Thompson


Wow! I agree with you all - he had the music and the words.


Yes!! Abigail, I remembered that quote when I was coming home tonight and wondered if I could find it. Thank you!!

I don't know what Mankiewicz was trying to say or why, but I think Hunter felt the music AND felt the words, too.
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Does he mean that Hunter had the heart,the soul and the truths but couldn't always express that in words?If that is what he meant,I guess he has a point..because it is hard to encapsulate all that into words..but he came pretty darned close :cool:



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Liz wrote:
Charlene wrote:
I guess it was musical in a way, as alot of what he had to say, you'd like to hear spoken aloud and over and over so that it's meaning could sink in...much like you listen to a favorite song over and over. Plus, his commentary made you laugh out loud, unlike most of the dry stuff we read in our morning papers.


I love to hear his words read or spoken outloud (i.e. The Wave and various other one-liners). I never tire of some of them.


I agree with you, Charlene, you had to agree with him. I got that musical impression from him when I read one of his articles, that were more recent, when he was commenting on the Bush Administration. I felt like, you understood what he was saying at once, even though maybe you didn't agree or did agree with what he was saying, in this example, about Bush. I guess in a world where you listen to people who have words and no music, its refreshing when someone has music and no words.

Quick question, where is the Wave Speech, in the book? I read the whole book, but I can't seem to remember where it was said in the book....can someone possibly post the page number if you could? Thanks so much in advance.

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Hannah, The Wave Speech is on page 66.



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Sweet, thanks Liz. :cool:



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"I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, that book is the most accurate and the least factual of that campaign. We like to put people down now and then who are too serious. We say, well they’ve got the words but they don’t have the music. Hunter Thompson had the music and not often the words."


There are two parts to this quote.

Most accurate and least facutal / the music and not often the words

I think he was referring to the difference between the veracity of the words Hunter used to describe what he experienced as opposed to the his ability to is convey completely the
feel of the experience.



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JD101 wrote:
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"I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, that book is the most accurate and the least factual of that campaign. We like to put people down now and then who are too serious. We say, well they’ve got the words but they don’t have the music. Hunter Thompson had the music and not often the words."


There are two parts to this quote.

Most accurate and least facutal / the music and not often the words

I think he was referring to the difference between the veracity of the words Hunter used to describe what he experienced as opposed to the his ability to is convey completely the
feel of the experience.


I agree with that, JD101. Music is something you feel--at least for me. And I can definitely feel Hunter's words--sometimes too strongly. :lol:



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