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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:20 pm 
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SRT, I hope you are feeling better today. Food poisoning gives me "the fear", that's for sure.

You make some good points, SRT. It is true that those who have tripped out enjoy recalling their trips and sharing with others. Colors are extremely intense BTW. In Vegas, that would be really trippy. :-)



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Another thing that is really trippy about Vegas is all the impersonators wandering around. I saw a Michael Jackson impersonator in the Luxor when I was there, and people were actually asking him for autographs. I mean, really - how weird is that?

I've only been to Vegas once, and really have no desire to go back. I get the Fear just thinking about being on hallucinogens in that town. That's a recipe for a bad trip if I've ever heard one!



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You could say visiting Las Vegas is somewhat like a drug trip. It
is rather other-worldly by sights and in attitude.

I think Las Vegas on hallucinogens is rather fun. I guess it depends on how far you want to take things and how far from
reality you are comfortable being.

Of course I was much younger when I last attempted to mix the
two. Younger, more resiliant, and definitely fearless about consequences.

But back then the experience I expected from Vegas was very different than the experience I want now. Besides, I'm much more easily confused these days: the carpets alone in the casinos are enough to befuddle me.


I read your post, bat, and I thought, 'Oh, thank god, a kindred spirit.'

In the early '90s I spent a lot of time in Vegas and I also have a rather extensive amount of experience with drugs, both psychotropic and otherwise. So, needless to say, having developed a fascination with all things Hunter during my teen years, I had to go to Vegas and do acid. More than several times, actually.
As bat said, "Visiting Las Vegas is somewhat like a drug trip," and that is a spot-on assessment.

The place is loaded with every stripe of person that could be imagined, both of the hometown and the tourist variety. Since my cousins live there, I not only have experienced the casinos and the Strip and the lights and the hoopla, but I have also gone to some family barbecues and met the neighbors.

I have spent a 24-hour period of time ensconced in front of my own personal set of slot machines, chain-smoking and having drinks delivered to me, as I fed coins in and emptied them out. At some point during the evening, my husband came to collect some of my winnings so I wouldn't lose it all. Later into the night, I had a group of freaky regular American touristo folks gathered around me watching and cheering me on as I hit 7-7-7 over and over again. Since it was my birthday, I figured my luck would hold and it did. I started with $50 and I came away with several thousand, plus a free weekend in the hotel and free food. Since the drinks are free, all I had to buy were my cigarettes.
Well, after sleeping a few hours and taking a tub in my room, I chewed up a few hits of paper and headed off to see the Grateful Dead, which at the time was how I earned a living -- writing about the band. Seeing the Dead in Vegas involved going to the university football stadium and hanging out with however many thousands of tie-dyed freaks in 118 degree sunshine for pre-show in a gigantic parking lot, drinking icy cold imports someone sells from a cooler on wheels and smoking primo kind some wonderful hanger-on has trucked in from Cali. Fortunately, by that point you don't know if what you're seeing is real or a desert mirage shimmering in the spray of the outdoor showers. They get you all wet and your clothing dries off in minutes. Strangely enough, the key to your feet not hurting during the 6 hours spent at the stadium is bringing a hotel bath mat to stand upon. And the key to maintaining and not losing your mind is staying hydrated. I've gone to shows and drank 13 bottles of water or beers and never had to pee all day, but I digress.
After the show, we went back to the hotel to eat, drink and gamble more. I stopped for a few hours to scribble off a review of the concert and visit with other musician friends visiting from LA and San Fran and shoot the breeze and feel the drama. And there were two more shows the next day and the day after, so it was a continuous several-day freak and veg fest.

Yes, I did acid and gambled. The carpets melt and you could get more than a little seasick navigating your way around. Plus there's really no sense of whether it's day or night in there -- no windows, no clocks. You could keep running on empty for an eternity, unless some friend came along to reel you back in.
Hallucinations aside, my point here I guess, is that seeing the Dead in Vegas was way less weird and strange than the counterpoint of hanging out gambling in the hotels, venturing out on the Strip late at night to witness the extreme pandemonium on the sidewalks, in the casinos, all-you-can-eat cafeterias, all-night markets, bathrooms where you can play slots, and, please, don't even get me started about the weirdness at the airport!
What I had done was take the most extreme, strangest stuff I did in my everyday life and hauled it off to Las Vegas, the strangest place to do it in. I wouldn't recommend this to any but the hardiest, most out-there individuals among us. Yes, I had a freakin' blast of a hellaciously great time, but it isn't for everyone. Las Vegas is for hallucinations on vacation -- a day trip, if you will. Too much and you'd go insane, just lose it entirely.
Not your average everyday pedestrian trip. I'd much rather eat a fistful of mushrooms and go hiking in the forest. But that's just me. And lately, more and more, I am finding I just like hanging out at home, watching a good flick with my pals and drinking some vintage Silver Oak. It may be a sort of been there, done that kind of thing. Or it may be that I have finally grown up a little and stopped "following that band around."


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Interesting reading, QoK. :-O



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QofK, I love your story! As you and bat say, it's just the place to make any drug experience seem normal. A better place than a normal town , I mean.



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Great post, QofK! I think we would have been buds, back in the day......



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Liz wrote:
Pg. 47. “No, this is not a good town for psychedelic drugs. Reality itself is too twisted.”

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Well well........I confess...........I have been to Vegas many times, but not for gambling. I've been to a few weddings there. Got to go on a little trip a company I worked for decided we would all enjoy. Been to the Mirage.....saw those cool tigers, had an elephant walk by on the stage and pee, splashing on the people closest to it. Saw one of those LOVELY (yeah right) night club dance shows that's always there with all the big headdresses and skimpy outfits (yawn). Gambled in Denny's waiting to be seated or in the bathroom. I hate losing hard earned money. It drives me batty. I have been to Circus Circus. My son raced BMX bikes (pedal type) and we were staying at that hotel. Hundreds of us. All the kids rode their bikes on the escallators, in the elevators.......down the isles.... They weren't supposed to, but the bikes were stored in each persons individual room. I suppose they thought the kids would walk the bikes........Yeah, right. That hotel bothered me. It was dirty, cheap, crowded and I hated the carnival area. No one stopped the kids on their bikes. It pretty much went unnoticed for all the confusion that is already in that hotel.

I cannot imagine being on drugs in Vegas. The place is insane. All the lights, sounds, street performers, Fremont with its light show on the ceiling of whatever that is covering the street. Then there are the people who want to take your money for a chance to have your picture taken with a snake, a bird or a "star."

I am afraid I would have ended up in a mental institution if I had done acid there. No no no......not good.



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Liz wrote:
Pg. 47. “No, this is not a good town for psychedelic drugs. Reality itself is too twisted.”

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I think I agree with this statement. I believe that reality can become twisted for the over thinker(whether or not psychedelic drugs have something to do with this or not...is still in question). I think if you over think what actually is going on, you loose sight of what is true and not true... if that makes any sense....:blush:

I love all the references, points and counterpoints through out the book. Its so fresh, you feel like peeling an orange. Maybe that's only me. :blush:


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Las Vegas is a place I've always wanted to visit..and not just for the pokies. :-O .It just sounds totally weird,excessive and in your face...I guess you have to be in the mood for it,though ,otherwise you could get caught up in the uselessness and emptiness of the place..But for a fun and weird time,I'd think it would be great :cool:



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Gilly wrote: Las Vegas is a place I've always wanted to visit..


I've always wanted to visit LV, too. I was born there, but left with my mom when I was three months old. My dad was stationed there in the Air Force (Army Air Corps, at the time). But every time I decide to go I change my mind. When I saw F&LILV and then read the book, it started me thinking about going there again. Now, reading this thread....

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GypsyLee wrote: The place is insane. All the lights, sounds, street performers, Fremont with its light show on the ceiling of whatever that is covering the street. Then there are the people who want to take your money for a chance to have your picture taken with a snake, a bird or a "star."


Las Vegas sounds as if the reality of the town really is already "too twisted."

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Bluebird, welcome back. :wave: How was the beach?



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gilly wrote:
Las Vegas is a place I've always wanted to visit..and not just for the pokies. :-O .It just sounds totally weird,excessive and in your face...I guess you have to be in the mood for it,though ,otherwise you could get caught up in the uselessness and emptiness of the place..But for a fun and weird time,I'd think it would be great :cool:


gilly, I have to ask about the word pokies? In the US a pokey is a jail! :lol: I'm guessing that is not where you want to visit? :-O



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Liz wrote: Bluebird, welcome back. How was the beach?


The beach was great...7 days of sun and sand and lots of reading. Now I'm playing catch up with ONBC and the Zone...you guys were very busy while I was away.

Gilly, I'm with DITHOT -- What's a pokie??

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