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 Post subject: F&LILV Question #5 - Not a Good Town for Psychedelics
PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:21 am 
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Pg. 47. “No, this is not a good town for psychedelic drugs. Reality itself is too twisted.”

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Pg. 47. “No, this is not a good town for psychedelic drugs. Reality itself is too twisted.”

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:lol: Too true! I've only recently been to Vegas, but I suspect during the early 70s, when it was starting a decline, it had to be more twisted than now. I can't imagine what that town is like when one is overly 'self-medicated'. :yikes: The whole experience when one is straight is over over over the top in terms of the type of stimulation coming at you. Everything is big, loud, expensive and there's lots of it. When I was there I purposely avoided CircusCircus because of the scene in F & L! :-O

:blush: Having said that, I have to admit though, I had great fun when I went with my friend! I called it our Duke/Gonzo adventure, altho my friend has never read the book (I scolded her for that! ;-) ). I listened to the F & L soundtrack everday for a week before we went....I was definately ready for the experience! Adult playground to be sure!



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Even though I have never been to Las Vegas, I would have to imagine that it is not a good place for psychedelics. As KYWoman said, there is already an overload of stimulants coming at your senses from everywhere. I would think it would be more suited to speed or coke or any of the drugs that reportedly make you teeth-clenchingly jittery and zingy and keep you awake for days, since there is always something going on.



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I've visited Vegas twice in the last couple of years. It's a trippy place when you aren't "under the influence", much less if you are. And like KYwoman said, it was probably even weirder back in the early 70's as it started it's decline. Having never been under the influence of psychedelic drugs myself, I asked DH, who was known to indulge a little back in the 70's. He said the same thing KYwoman ~ the bright lights and sounds of Vegas would be magnified many times over. He mentioned the scene where Duke is trying to check into the hotel and the woman's face keeps changing shape. Way too freaky for me to even imagine!! :-O



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Good point about the methamphetamines, Bix. I wonder if all of those people sitting at the slot machines at 3:00 in the morning are on speed. :yikes:

I think that one could possibly have a very bad trip at Vegas with all the stimulus of which KY was talking. The glitziness of the place would just be way too much on the senses. :-)



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I went to Vegas as a kid back in the 60's but wasn't really allowed to see much. :-O I have flown in and out of there on the way to someplace else and it a very strange place from that perspective. You land in the middle of a desert and as you taxi to the terminal you see pyramids, the Eiffel Tower, a New York skyline, etc. rising out of the middle of the desert. That's pretty trippy in and of itself! I have been to Reno once and I guess casinos aren't my thing. There are no windows, they're smoky and it is a definite assault on your sensory nerves with all the lights and sounds. KY maybe if I went with the attitude you did on your trip it would be more fun!



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Better Las Vegas than, say, Mayberry, North Carolina... (Go get 'em, Andy, Barney, and Opie!!) :shocked:



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Well if Vegas seems over the top to you native Americans, I doubt if you can even begin to imagine how it looks to us 'more reserved' Brits. I've never been there, or even to the States, and I have to admit that at first I thought most of the stuff in the book, and especially the film, was just down to Hunter and Gilliam's exaggeration and wierd imaginations. I couldn't believe a place like Circus Circus for instance actually existed in real life. So it was quite an eye-opener when I discovered the truth :shocked:

As for experiencing it on psychedelics it doesn't bear thinking about. My own psychedelic experiences were positive, but they were always in pleasant rural surroundings among good friends. I didn't even fancy taking it in a normal everyday English urban environment because I thought it would be a bit unnerving. I think somewhere like Vegas would have totally freaked me out :yikes:



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Drugs have always made me terribly paranoid in the past. I've never been to Vegas, but I can't imagine I'd do well there in an altered state. I'd have "THE FEAR". I would think the sensory overload would be almost assaulting. It's amazing to me that they both survived a trip like that. I think it's a miracle that we never saw faint scars of Z's on Hunter's forehead in later years. :lol:



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Reality has always been twisted in Las Vegas, from the permanent daylight of the casinos to exploiting our most base instincts… raw ambition, gluttony and greed. But that didn’t mean you couldn’t have fun! When all of the themed casinos went up in the early nineties—Treasure Island, Luxor and New York, New York—there was FUN to be had without stepping in the slimy muck of gambling. HOWEVER, when Paris opened Las Vegas “jumped the shark.” The slavish replication of la Tour Eiffel and the rest of Paris seems more like an invitation to limit your life experiences than to have fun. (France without hassles, passports or those “annoying” French). Very creepy to me.



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Interesting comment about Paris, Dharma_bum--something that had never crossed my mind. Do you feel the same way about the Venetian? I always thought it would be fun to go there. As I haven't been to Vegas since I was 9, it's difficult for me to judge any of this. I think it would be fun, but isn't my first choice of a place to visit. Thus we haven't yet made the trip. I think it would be fun straight. But Vegas on acid gives me the fear.



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I like the Venetian. The hotel is lovely and the gondola rides are fun. There is no pretention that it is anything more than that... a fun, escapist experience in Las Vegas. Paris crossed a line for me, it seems to aspire to different level of experience that tries to shut Las Vegas out (casino exempted).



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Betty Sue wrote:
Better Las Vegas than, say, Mayberry, North Carolina... (Go get 'em, Andy, Barney, and Opie!!) :shocked:

I've been to Mayberry (although it's really Mt Airy NC, we stayed at the Mayberry Motor Inn and shopped at the Mayberry Mall) but have never really had much desire to go to Vegas. Part of the problem for me would be that gambling entertains me for about 10 minutes and then I'm done. Conspicuous consumption also bothers me. I can't really comment on the twisted reality of it, since I've never seen the reality.

Oddly enough, my brother, who is currently living in a yurt at a Buddhist retreat center in Colorado, loves Vegas.


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Oddly enough, my brother, who is currently living in a yurt at a Buddhist retreat center in Colorado, loves Vegas.


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I can see it might appeal to that Zen sense of absurdity! Or maybe it's just that the trappings of the material world that Buddhists are trying to get away from are reassuringly obvious somewhere like that, rather than being sneaky and subtle.



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 Post subject: Re: F&LILV Question #5 - Not a Good Town for Psychedelic
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Liz wrote:
Pg. 47. “No, this is not a good town for psychedelic drugs. Reality itself is too twisted.”

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I think this quote almost sums up some of the book, the fact that it is exploring the strange parts of American culture. Becasue the drugs are used to 'make life interesting' or to 'twist reality'. But the Las Vegas culture is twisted itslef. People are not using drugs to escape reality but gambiling perhaps? I have never been there and have not studied LV so I am not sure, but I find American culture very interesting, it is so different to anywhere else, it is interesting to discover why it is like it is.
I am not sure whether I aswered anything then, or not. Oh well.

The bad thing about these disscussions is that is feels almost educational, and I am in the middle of my exams and I am meant to be studying, so the fact that it feels educational is not making me feel guilty for not studying. :banghead:



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