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 Post subject: Loser's Town #27 ~ Self deception
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 7:47 am 
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Self deception: pg. 4 –

“You had to lie to yourself in order to function. This is what got to Potts. Potts was no optimist. You spend five years in a Texas prison and it changes your view of what people are like. Jesus, so many ******* psychos loose in the world it’s a wonder we manage to wake in our beds alive, much less navigate a ******* superhighway. Then you were forced to shove all this aside, cram it into some little cupboard in your brain and shut it away, whenever you walked out the ******* door in the morning. You had to make yourself forget everything you knew about life, everything you knew to be true, and pretend that people were somehow Good and not the collection of thieves and madmen and basic :censored: you knew them to be. This is what drove Potts crazy. It was exhausting, this burden of self-deception. The :censored: weight of it made him tired all the time.

Do you agree with Potts? Do we have to lie to ourselves to tolerate society?



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 Post subject: Re: Loser's Town #27 ~ Self deception
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 8:46 am 
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I felt so sorry for Potts and his life experiences that brought him to this point when I first read this, and I was so glad that I lived in a different world. But your second question made me realize that part of the reason I live in a different world is that I do lie to myself to tolerate society. I'll read the horrifying headlines but not much of the story on wars, massacres, murders, child abuse....or even losses of the Milwaukee Brewers or Roger Federer! :blush: I don't encounter too many really disagreeable people, but when I do, I work really hard to have a good feeling about them because I can't stand to feel negative; this may involve some self-deception.... This doesn't tire me as it does Potts, though; it seems to be the only way I can make it through. The teacher in me makes me eager to plunge in and help where I think I can, but I can't handle knowing the world is full of horrors that can't seem to be stopped. I have a problem with thinking there are monsters out there. :yikes: Fortunately, there are people braver than I who plunge in and deal with these things! :cool:



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 Post subject: Re: Loser's Town #27 ~ Self deception
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 1:24 pm 
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I believe that we do have to lie to a point to tolerate society. Otherwise life would be so depressing and hopeless. Potts, because of his past experience with theives, madmen and others in prison, shaped his outlook of life. In his environment finding the good in people and situations would become more and more difficult. Didn't seem strong enough to overcome this feeling. Negative people can always find bad in even good stories and situations. Watching TV or reading about crimes and terrible people can make us lie to ourselves to tolerate society. " Won't happen to me or in our neighborhood or schooll". This is an easy way to hide from the bad until it hits close to home. Then we must pull our heads out of the sand!! I like to have the rule of looking for the good in people until they prove otherwise. Somtimes I am dissapointed and sometimes joyful.


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 Post subject: Re: Loser's Town #27 ~ Self deception
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 2:01 pm 
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Do you agree with Potts? Do we have to lie to ourselves to tolerate society?
Sometimes I am a cup half full person and sometimes a cup half empty. Must be the gemini in me. I live a pretty sheltered life now that I am retired and can hide from the sadder parts of society except for TV and the newspaper.
I have worked in factories on the night shift and been in some terrible places delivering mail so I have seen some of the horrible things I only read about now. So as a thinking person I would have to say yes we do have to tolerate society but most of the time I avoid thinking about it if I can.
Thinking of Potts, I can only imagine what 5 years of living in a Texas prison did to him knowing how he thinks now. I still have a nagging need to know what he did to end up there in the first place though.



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 Post subject: Re: Loser's Town #27 ~ Self deception
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 2:42 pm 
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gemini wrote:
I still have a nagging need to know what he did to end up there in the first place though.
Me too!


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 Post subject: Re: Loser's Town #27 ~ Self deception
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 2:45 pm 
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The power of positive thinking?? Looking at the world through rose colored glasses? Frankly I think the media manages to stress the negative and keep it in our faces. The world seems smaller. We're so aware of so much happening everywhere. Potts may have been perceptive, but the heavy negatively was shaped by his life conditions. Guess it's easier to slip towards negativity. Interesting this struggle of Dark over Light. Age old, I'm sure. Ignorance is Bliss?I kind of identify women with purposely limiting their awareness of ugly things. Controlling their exposure to bad news. I will sometimes just turn off an unappealing bit of information. Try to not let it affect my daily thoughts. Some sort of defense/survival mechanism. Some way to tolerate the obvious ugliness.


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 Post subject: Re: Loser's Town #27 ~ Self deception
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I think for Potts monsters lurk around every corner. He comes from a world littered with atrocities. Jail has defined his outlook and now it's skewered. I think Nietzsche once said, "that if you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you." I have never lied to myself about how the world operates. I know bad things happen to good people. I think we program ourselves to ignore that which is not happening directly to or around us. I watch the news, I read the paper, I hear the stories but you never internalize all of it. Maybe the real self-deception happens when you pretend none of it exists. But I believe rational people just accept that bad things are just a part of society and carry on. We do what is required to not let our worry and fear cripple us. Potts never left prison or the people.



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 Post subject: Re: Loser's Town #27 ~ Self deception
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 5:21 pm 
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fansmom wrote:
gemini wrote:
I still have a nagging need to know what he did to end up there in the first place though.
Me too!


Wasn't it armed robbery??



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 Post subject: Re: Loser's Town #27 ~ Self deception
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:17 pm 
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Betty Sue wrote:
fansmom wrote:
gemini wrote:
I still have a nagging need to know what he did to end up there in the first place though.
Me too!


Wasn't it armed robbery??

Yes BettySue, you are on your toes. I found it on page 220. He tells Ingrid why he was in prison.



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 Post subject: Re: Loser's Town #27 ~ Self deception
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 8:54 pm 
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Today's quote from Loser's Town jumped out at me because it reminded me of a quote from Good Omens:


“It has been said that civilization is twenty-four hours and two meals away from barbarism.”

During that discussion comparisons were made to the aftermath of Katrina and the riots in LA. Sometimes there is a thin veneer on society methinks.

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I think for Potts monsters lurk around every corner.


:cool: totally agreee, internal and external.



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 Post subject: Re: Loser's Town #27 ~ Self deception
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 9:34 pm 
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I, for one, am in denial. I used to dwell on it. But that made Liz a very unhappy camper. So I stopped listening to the news for a while. I think it helped, because I seem to be able to watch it now without letting it ruin my day. I think I needed a break from it. But I also think that during my time sans news (roughly a year) I got in a habit of not worrying about it. So now when I turn off the TV I also turn off the thoughts. As Deppaura said, ignorance is bliss.



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 Post subject: Re: Loser's Town #27 ~ Self deception
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 10:20 pm 
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I generally avoid the newscasts and a great deal of the newspaper reporting and the internet hype because I know so much is driven by commercialism - sensationalism sells advertising. But ...

I watched the Orpah interview with Elizabeth Edwards the other day because I was a bit titillated by the whole other woman/scandal angle. (I identified with that, too, to a certain extent, but mostly I was just interested). I was not prepared when Oprah talked about Mrs. Edwards' terminal cancer and said that, in effect, persons who have "put a child in the ground" said they were not as afraid of death as "other" people. I nearly broke down and cried, I was so grateful for someone putting that in words.

Every time I hear about a fatal traffic accident.....every story I see about a parent having to bury a child........every story like that touches me in such a real and deep place it is nearly unbearable although I do not know the people involved.

Because I "have put a child in the ground" I look at life through a different lens, just as Potts looked at life in a different way from people who had not experienced the same tragic things he had. For people like Potts and me you have to have a little bit of denial to survive because you know how real the horrors can truly be. One small misstep, one official phone call........it could be YOU again.

If Potts and I REALLY lived every day acknowledging the possibilities, the burden would be crushing. Living with a little denial means that you are merely tired.


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 Post subject: Re: Loser's Town #27 ~ Self deception
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:26 am 
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I think that each of us is a product of the sum total of our experiences. But each of us reacts to it differently. Many of us are heavily influenced by our childhood environment. But I also think that the experiences later in life can have a major affect on us too….like with you, Nebraska. I think the goal is to get through life in whatever way that works. That’s going to be different for everyone. And if some of us are in denial, and we’re happy, why not?

I have to make this a little personal right now. My parents were always very negative. They thought people were basically evil. They didn’t trust anyone, and they always thought the worst would happen. They always played it safe. They avoided any situations that could possibly be harmful to them, to me or to their dogs. The upshot of it is that they never had any fun. My father has never flown in an airplane. He built a bomb shelter in our backyard during the Cuban crisis. They always paid cash for their cars. And they never took their dogs for walks because, heaven forbid, they might run into another dog on the street who would attack and kill their dogs. My mom told me to never trust my girlfriends. For the past 20 years my dad has been preaching that my generation will see another depression because of our transgressions---I guess because we took risks. (Unfortunately, he may have been right about that.) Needless to say, I grew up very sheltered and afraid of everything and distrustful of people. A lot of this still haunts me. But I am darned if I am going to live a boring life because I’m afraid of everything. If you don't take risks, you may miss something really special.

Granted, my situation is totally different than Potts'. But it’s still denial of societal woes. At times, I have to avoid the news to keep from letting the fears my parents taught me bring me down. But mostly, I have learned to listen to it with interest, but say to myself, whatever--what will be, will be.



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 Post subject: Re: Loser's Town #27 ~ Self deception
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 11:59 am 
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That was very brave of you to share your story. I am proud for you to be able to recognize and overcome these fear teachings. Stay strong - life can be great if we let it. :hug:


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 Post subject: Re: Loser's Town #27 ~ Self deception
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:24 pm 
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Thanks, ladylinn. Not so brave, really. What's brave for me is getting on an airplane. :lol:



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