TPAOL Question #16 ~ The Shaman and The Tungu

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TPAOL Question #16 ~ The Shaman and The Tungu

Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:28 am

What is the role of the Shaman and the albino Tungu in the story?
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Unread postby Charlene » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:06 pm

Honestly, I think it was to tie up all the loose ends. Not so much with the Shaman...he set the stage for the murder....but the Albino caused me to go back and sort out what really happened in the beginning of the book...small things, I didn't pick up on at first.

It almost seemed to me as Meeks went head on with his story, and then came back and stuck them in to tie it all up. Almost like the writers of POTC2&3 have done to tie up the loose ends of POTC1.

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Unread postby Depputante » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:20 pm

Just a quick note here, but : (these are two of my favorite charachters.) :goodvibes:

Shaman dying by murder and having 'liar' on his head, could be symbolic of culture not beleiving in an afterlife.

Albino could be symbolic of the purity and the 'roots' of human beings. He's simple, and honest. Even white, 'without colors' added.
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Unread postby Linda Lee » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:37 pm

The Shaman and the Tungu are there to serve as witneeses to the cannibilism of Samarin, so we know it is not just one of his stories. They also point out that it was unnecessary as there were deer available. Possibly, also, as an aspect of Samarin's conscience.
They also bring another side of spiritualism to the story, one that doesn't require mutalation. They show us Matula's curiosity about the "seer" and further the idea of his ambition, and his cruelty.
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Unread postby Parlez » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:41 pm

My first response to the question is "I DON'T KNOW!!!" That said, I'll play Samarin and make something up! :mwahaha:
The Shaman, in particular, has me baffled - he's just too strange for me to get my head around. Obviously he's a mystic, a wild man and, possibly, a LIAR. I know there's something prophetic about what he says - especially the line, "Everyone will have a horse," but I'm relying on you Noodles to enlighten me on just what that's supposed to mean.
The Albino, to me, stepped right out of LOTR - Golum! Except this little creature turned out to be more helpful and (who would've guessed?) multi-lingual! How convenient! I agree with Charlene that he's there to wrap things up for the story - to explain what really happened - although anyone who's teacher has "LIAR" written on his forehead and mutters weird sayings that don't make any sense might not be the best person to believe. By the time the Albino comes on the scene at the end, Mutz and his companions are so confused maybe someone like a white, ghostly, forest creature would be seen as a refreshing, honest breath of fresh air.
So, I ask you: is this our best representative of truth in the story??
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Unread postby Depputante » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:20 pm

Linda Lee, Such a thick, full of thoughts, little paragraph you have there. Time for me to wake my west coast bum up. I never even considered it as far as Matula! WOW.

Parlez wrote: "Everyone will have a horse," but I'm relying on you Noodles to enlighten me on just what that's supposed to mean. So, I ask you: is this our best representative of truth in the story??


Been there, done that horse thing. It's a good question to be sure. Don't tempt me, (and I"m not THAT sleepy) I adore horses, but YOU're a :capnjack: ! :-P DITOTH's hair will not only be grey, but it might even fall out! :yikes: ..... ponders what to do next.....:snoopydances: Snoopy blissfully hops along to the next qeustion...

YEP. I think Albi is our best rep. (Reminds me of the word alibi. :eyebrow: ) (Johnny would make a wonderful Albino! Quite the challenge, too, I should think. The underdog's assistant, I wonder if Albi's a eunich too? Albi...Orli,,it's not that far of a jump. Maybe Orli would take the roll... :biglaugh: )
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Unread postby Linda Lee » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:37 pm

Depputante - love your casting suggestions. :rotflmao:
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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:58 pm

Linda Lee, I agree that the albino is there to serve as a witness to Samarin's act and also to help Mutz, et.al, out of their situation. I think he and the Shaman represent spirituality and the more natural state of the indigenous people as contrasted to the "civilized" life of the people in Yazyk. Perhaps they are there to point out the lack of spirituality exhibited by the townsfolk, the drunken shaman symbolizing the perversion of the spirit we see in the characters.

Depputante I like your idea of why he is an albino, I was wondering that very thing! :cool: Casting question coming soon...don't forget Orli!
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Unread postby Parlez » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:00 pm

Ah! The eunuch issue raises its head once again! :shocked:
Orli could certainly carry it off...fill the bill...wear the pants as it were, with Johnny as his mentor - the Shaman! Pirates of the Taiga - I bet T&T never thought of that for a story line!
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Unread postby Linda Lee » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:21 pm

Dithot wrote:
I think he and the Shaman represent spirituality and the more natural state of the indigenous people as contrasted to the "civilized" life of the people in Yazyk. Perhaps they are there to point out the lack of spirituality exhibited by the townsfolk, the drunken shaman symbolizing the perversion of the spirit we see in the characters.


Dithot - good point contrasting the spiritualty of the Tungus and townspeople, and the symbolism of the drunken shaman. I agree.

Parlez wrote:
Ah! The eunuch issue raises its head once again!
Orli could certainly carry it off...fill the bill...wear the pants as it were, with Johnny as his mentor - the Shaman! Pirates of the Taiga - I bet T&T never thought of that for a story line!

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Unread postby Lady Jill » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:00 pm

Charlene wrote:Honestly, I think it was to tie up all the loose ends. Not so much with the Shaman...he set the stage for the murder....but the Albino caused me to go back and sort out what really happened in the beginning of the book...small things, I didn't pick up on at first.

It almost seemed to me as Meeks went head on with his story, and then came back and stuck them in to tie it all up. Almost like the writers of POTC2&3 have done to tie up the loose ends of POTC1.


Charlene: I have to agree with you. Here's my one word to sum it up: Decor! :freaked: One of these! :slick: and one of these. I really think the heaviness of this book is getting to me. Where ARE those horses, Liz and DITHOT ????

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Unread postby Liz » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:38 pm

Depputante wrote: Albino could be symbolic of the purity and the 'roots' of human beings. He's simple, and honest. Even white, 'without colors' added.


I like that! :cool:

Interesting idea about the Shaman.....and plausible.
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Unread postby Liz » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:46 pm

Lady Jill wrote:
Charlene wrote:Honestly, I think it was to tie up all the loose ends. Not so much with the Shaman...he set the stage for the murder....but the Albino caused me to go back and sort out what really happened in the beginning of the book...small things, I didn't pick up on at first.

It almost seemed to me as Meeks went head on with his story, and then came back and stuck them in to tie it all up. Almost like the writers of POTC2&3 have done to tie up the loose ends of POTC1.


Charlene: I have to agree with you. Here's my one word to sum it up: Decor! :freaked: One of these! :slick: and one of these. I really think the heaviness of this book is getting to me. Where ARE those horses, Liz and DITHOT ????


Horses? What horses? :capnjack:

I agree with Charlene and Linda Lee about this too. It was the Albino who gave us the answer we had been waiting for.
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Unread postby Depputante » Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:16 pm

Nope. No horses around here!
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Unread postby Lady Jill » Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:21 pm

Liz: It was my understanding that there would be a question regarding the horses and their role in the book. Those horses.

Another thought that's on my mind that I have to say something about here, regarding the question of the day, is about the Shaman.

We hear Matula say he wants 'enlightment' from the Shaman, but look how they treated the poor man!! Chained in a pen outside in the mud and cold! It was only after he died that they took him inside. Wierd. This just doesn't compute in my books!
If a shaman came to me I would treat him like royal, believing he knew and saw more than I do.

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Afterthought. . . Does anyone know the page(s) where we learn the role of the Albino?
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