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Lady Jill
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:26 pm |
Joined: Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 686 Location: Dead Man's Pass near Reno, NV
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Liz wrote: Depputante wrote: Albino could be symbolic of the purity and the 'roots' of human beings. He's simple, and honest. Even white, 'without colors' added. I like that!
Interesting idea about the Shaman.....and plausible.
Hmmm. White. . .like angels. . .maybe he knew Balahov.
OK Depputante!!! I'll get off my horse! and get on this other. . .'er . .cowboy? Whooppeeee!
Lady Jill
_________________________________________________________ " After we're gone, the only thing that matters is the love we left behind."
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Linda Lee
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:41 pm |
Joined: Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:02 pm Posts: 2464 Location: Aboard the Black Pearl
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_________________________________________________________ Serenity is not freedom from the storm but peace within the storm. ~ Unknown
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Parlez
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:03 pm |
Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:30 am Posts: 2503 Location: Colorado
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 Saddle me up and let 'er rip!!
That there pony don't look like no gelding either!
YeeHaw!!
_________________________________________________________ "Belay that! ...Do something else!" ~ Hector Barbossa
savvy avi by mamabear
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DeppInTheHeartOfTexas
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:18 pm |
Joined: Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:43 pm Posts: 10375 Location: Austin
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Lady Jill, I think Matula just wanted to use the shaman to further his own agenda and learn what he could from him and he didn't really care about him as a person. Maybe he decided that treating him badly was how to get the information out of him.
We'll be talking about those horses this weekend.
_________________________________________________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -
Wow! What a ride!
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Liz
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:04 pm |
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Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2004 2:13 pm Posts: 12112 Location: The Left Coast
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Lady Jill wrote: Liz: It was my understanding that there would be a question regarding the horses and their role in the book. Those horses.
Afterthought. . . Does anyone know the page(s) where we learn the role of the Albino?
Page 262-63. And I was just being silly about the horses, Lady Jill. 
_________________________________________________________ You can't judge a book by its cover.
The only thing that matters is the ending. It's the most important part of the story.
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gemini
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:54 pm |
Joined: Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:28 pm Posts: 3908 Location: Florida
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As you ladies mentioned it is getting harder to really look deeply into this story. Too bad it doesn't really have any light aspects to discuss.
What is the role of the Shaman and the albino Tungu in the story?
Looking at it from the simplest point of view. Both were there as proof that you could live off of the land without resorting to cannibalism. The country was so rough and desolate they were the only people for Samarin to cross paths with before reaching civilization. If not for the Shaman being a threat by revealing Samarin's nature to the townspeople, Samarin would not have had any reason to do anything but pass through.
The Albino is introduced as the only witness who can prove Mutz's suspicions. He must be seen as young, innocent, and believable.
And yes, a bit of horseback riding does seem a nice break from the avakhi. 
_________________________________________________________ "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." Will Rogers
Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.
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Depputante
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:48 pm |
Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:48 am Posts: 1337 Location: Beyond the paradigm.
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Who mentions the deer? Which page?
_________________________________________________________ “The scariest enemy is from within. Allowing yourself to be limited and conform to what you're expected to conform to.”~JD
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suec
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:48 pm |
Joined: Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:57 pm Posts: 1381 Location: uk
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I think the shaman is there to symbolise the passing of the old order, especially as he is killed by a revolutionary: a sign of the times, with religion being stifled and not permitted.
This is someone who would carry enormous respect among his people but what do they do with his body? Take it down to a dank chilly basement and lay it in a nest of junk. It is the death of spirituality. Without that, the place truly is moribund.
He strikes me as being someone who is genuinely in touch with the spiritual side as well. Matula is searching for it, maybe, but has no idea how to respond to it - chain the shaman like a dog in his kennel! - but he fails in his objective. The shaman escapes him: "The keel slides through the mud and floats free". I suppose I am totally contradicting myself here, but perhaps this is positive: that the spiritual can't be confined, trapped, in the end? I kind of think the shaman dying and passing on to another plane, as it were, is the heart of the book for me. The central characters have lost their way, their spiritual way, I mean, and each of them, to a greater or lesser degree, maybe, has their moment of enlightenment, and their chance to move forward.
Edit: Depputante, the albino mentions the deer on p265.
_________________________________________________________ "Luck... inspiration... both only really happen to you when you empty your heart of ambition, purpose, and plan; when you give yourself, completely, to the golden, fate-filled moment."
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Depputante
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:00 pm |
Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:48 am Posts: 1337 Location: Beyond the paradigm.
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Very nice, suec!
I see your point gemini .
Alas, a few people some real Depp thoughts. 
_________________________________________________________ “The scariest enemy is from within. Allowing yourself to be limited and conform to what you're expected to conform to.”~JD
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Lady Jill
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:07 pm |
Joined: Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 686 Location: Dead Man's Pass near Reno, NV
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Thank you so much, Liz, I just re- read that chapter.
Now I can say, yes, the Albino was there to confirm the mad man, the psychopath Samarin - the cannibal. I must have been half asleep when I read this chapter before!
Now it seems very obvious that Samarin really swung a 190 from when he was a young boy. And I still feel for the poor shaman, chained like a dog.
I have to say it, this is one nutty bunch of people all wrapped up in a book with a most strange title!
Lady Jill
_________________________________________________________ " After we're gone, the only thing that matters is the love we left behind."
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