The Ginger Man Question #25 - The End

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Unread postby Gilbert's Girl » Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:03 am

thanks Dharma I think I understand now :cool: , I was obviously missing the sybolism , I really found those last pages at odds with the rest of the book because of how I read it and that made the ending odd for me because it was unlike Sebastian.
I am not familiar with Emily Dickenson I love this first verse though
"Because I could not stop for Death,
He kindly stopped for me;
The carriage held but just ourselves
And Immortality.
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Unread postby Liz » Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:07 am

Wow! Dharma and GG, you might convince me yet of this. I did not see that at all. But when you point out these bits of symbolism, I think maybe it's possible.

I'm wondering now if the dark figure & stranger is supposed to be SD or the grim reaper. I'm also thinking the haiku is his way of asking forgiveness from God so that he may enter the gates of heaven.
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Unread postby Endora » Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:52 am

I am still not convinced about the suicide. I almost think suicide was too positive an act for SD, too much like taking control. My interpretation remains that he walks out to continue the same life elsewhere.

d_b, I like the ED poem very much, a good parallel.
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Unread postby Gilbert's Girl » Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:58 am

Endora wrote:I am still not convinced about the suicide. I almost think suicide was too positive an act for SD, too much like taking control. My interpretation remains that he walks out to continue the same life elsewhere.

d_b, I like the ED poem very much, a good parallel.


I'm not sure I'm convinced either, but it would make an interesting ending.

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Unread postby gilly » Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:19 am

I don't see anything suicidal in the ending..To me that would be completely out of character,for Sebastian..That lovely description of the high sea and soft winds reminds me of Ireland..and I think this is typical Sebastian..yearning for what he's left behind,yearning for what he's ruined....I think the horses and Sebastian and the wild Ginger man are one..the horses are running away and this is what Sebastian will probably do..''run,run,as fast as you can..you can't catch me , I'm the Ginger Man''..You're right,DITHOT..he won't stay with Mary..he'll be forever running and dissatisfied with life,unto the end...
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Unread postby dharma_bum » Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:44 am

Endora wrote:I am still not convinced about the suicide. I almost think suicide was too positive an act for SD, too much like taking control. My interpretation remains that he walks out to continue the same life elsewhere.

d_b, I like the ED poem very much, a good parallel.


I don't think he actually went through with the suicide, I believe he changes his mind. But I do believe he contimplated it long enough to hear death rattle past him.

I agree that he continues freed not in death, but life.
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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:30 am

db, I like your interpretation! :cool: Are you secretly an English teacher? :lol:
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Unread postby Liz » Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:23 am

gilly wrote: I think the horses and Sebastian and the wild Ginger man are one..the horses are running away and this is what Sebastian will probably do..''run,run,as fast as you can..you can't catch me , I'm the Ginger Man''.....


I thought of that famous line also, Gilly, until I read Dharma's interpretation. And now I'm just not sure. But I also agree with Dharma that he didn't actually carry it out if. in fact, he was considering it. I'd love to be able to ask Donleavy about it.
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