The Ginger Man Question #22 ~ nothing is nothing...

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The Ginger Man Question #22 ~ nothing is nothing...

Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:37 am

The name of Johnny’s production company is Infinitum Nihil (Infinite Nothing). This quote by Tolstoy is on the home page, “force is force…matter is matter…will is will…the infinite is the infinite…nothing is nothing”. Can you relate that quote to the novel?
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Unread postby Liz » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:52 pm

In relation to the novel, it sounds rather existentialist to me--that nothing is nothing, so nothing matters. I don't think I thought about it that way when I first read it, though (months ago). I have a feeling Johnny didn't choose that quote to represent an existentialist viewpoint, though.
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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:32 pm

:perplexed: Another tough one?
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Unread postby Bix » Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:44 pm

Yes! I have to tell you, DITHOT & Liz, I'm being extra careful these past couple days so I don't fall and break my other arm or something to avoid these hard final questions! (Well, it worked 8 weeks ago! :lol:) And having said that, I still don't have an answer for today's question. :blush:
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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:37 pm

Bix wrote:Yes! I have to tell you, DITHOT & Liz, I'm being extra careful these past couple days so I don't fall and break my other arm or something to avoid these hard final questions! (Well, it worked 8 weeks ago! :lol:) And having said that, I still don't have an answer for today's question. :blush:


Careful there, Bix! :-O I've heard a lot of excuses but yours was definitely the best! :lol:
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Unread postby stroch » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:14 pm

Well -- Sebastian is obsessed with death; it figures in every chapter. And even though he is not Catholic, he has this morbid fascination with Oliver Plunkett, a martyr to the Catholic faith. (Plunkett was killed by the British for prostelitizing to the Irish)

Maybe his fear is that there is nothing after death. Death comes whether we are good or bad, and often sooner for the good. If there is nothing to come, and our actions are meaningless on earth, there really is nothing. It would fit in with the idea of nihilism and of existentialism.

I haven't responded to the last few questions, and I feel like I am in class, and have to float some kind of idea so I can get my participation grade.
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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:20 pm

stroch wrote:Well -- Sebastian is obsessed with death; it figures in every chapter. And even though he is not Catholic, he has this morbid fascination with Oliver Plunkett, a martyr to the Catholic faith. (Plunkett was killed by the British for prostelitizing to the Irish)

Maybe his fear is that there is nothing after death. Death comes whether we are good or bad, and often sooner for the good. If there is nothing to come, and our actions are meaningless on earth, there really is nothing. It would fit in with the idea of nihilism and of existentialism.

I haven't responded to the last few questions, and I feel like I am in class, and have to float some kind of idea so I can get my participation grade.


stroch, thank you for explaining who Oliver Plunkett is. That is one of those details that was bugging me and I kept meaning to look it up and kept forgetting to do so. I agree that the death theme fits in with the nihilism/existentialism ideas found in the book No worries about the responses...no grades either! We just appreciate you for sharing all your thoughts! :cool:
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Unread postby Liz » Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:15 pm

DeppInTheHeartOfTexas wrote:
stroch wrote:Well -- Sebastian is obsessed with death; it figures in every chapter. And even though he is not Catholic, he has this morbid fascination with Oliver Plunkett, a martyr to the Catholic faith. (Plunkett was killed by the British for prostelitizing to the Irish)

Maybe his fear is that there is nothing after death. Death comes whether we are good or bad, and often sooner for the good. If there is nothing to come, and our actions are meaningless on earth, there really is nothing. It would fit in with the idea of nihilism and of existentialism.

I haven't responded to the last few questions, and I feel like I am in class, and have to float some kind of idea so I can get my participation grade.


stroch, thank you for explaining who Oliver Plunkett is. That is one of those details that was bugging me and I kept meaning to look it up and kept forgetting to do so. I agree that the death theme fits in with the nihilism/existentialism ideas found in the book No worries about the responses...no grades either! We just appreciate you for sharing all your thoughts! :cool:


And Stroch, I, for one, REALLY appreciate your sharing the info on Oliver Plunkett. :-O I never got what that was about. Now I do. I learn so much from all of you. :cool:
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Unread postby dharma_bum » Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:09 am

Que sera, sera
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Que sera, sera

Liz I actually DO think that the Tolstoy quote is existential and meant to be. It’s not all doom and gloom. There is something very liberating about letting go of the notion that you are in control. You begin to live in the moment and embrace your fate. It’s about walking away from self-limiting fears…. Because no matter how carefully you live your life, it can and will change in an instant. Sebastian’s life did just that when Ginny Cupper’s car crashed through the guardrails into the Mississippi mud.

There’s a JD quote that I’ve always really liked: "Life is a ride with someone else behind the wheel." Not so sure he’s the first to say it, but he repeated it with conviction.
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Unread postby gilly » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:32 am

db..that was put perfectly..I can't add to that :cloud9:
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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:32 am

gilly wrote:db..that was put perfectly..I can't add to that :cloud9:


I'll second that, gilly. :cool: :cool:
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -

Wow! What a ride!


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