F&LILV Question #18 ~ The Fear

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Unread postby lumineuse » Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:42 am

Has anyone else here ever actually experienced The Fear??
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Unread postby Liz » Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:30 pm

lumineuse wrote:Has anyone else here ever actually experienced The Fear??


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Unread postby dharma_bum » Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:27 pm

Endora wrote:Raven, I think that you are getting pretty close with your idea that they thought that the fear was the sense of not caring or feeling any more. But I'd still say that they felt like that because they had realised that this was all there was, there were no hidden meanings, as I said above. But if you do look at it this way, the book is unbearably bleak.

Existential? You could say infinitum nihil.


Endora.. extra points for incorporating "infinitum nihil" into a discussion!

There is liberation in realizing that there is no one tending the light at the end of the tunnel. You begin living in the moment and embrace that fate. You realize your choices are limitless, so long as you are willing to except the earthly consequences—you “become a road man for the lords of karma.” You lose your fear, maybe THE FEAR.
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Unread postby Raven » Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:11 pm

[quote="dharma_bum
There is liberation in realizing that there is no one tending the light at the end of the tunnel. You begin living in the moment and embrace that fate. You realize your choices are limitless, so long as you are willing to except the earthly consequences—you “become a road man for the lords of karma.” You lose your fear, maybe THE FEAR.[/quote]


“become a road man for the lords of karma.” this went right over my head so high above me that I did not have to duck!! I need more edumacation!!

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Unread postby Liz » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:09 pm

Raven wrote:
dharma_bum wrote:There is liberation in realizing that there is no one tending the light at the end of the tunnel. You begin living in the moment and embrace that fate. You realize your choices are limitless, so long as you are willing to except the earthly consequences—you “become a road man for the lords of karma.” You lose your fear, maybe THE FEAR.



“become a road man for the lords of karma.” this went right over my head so high above me that I did not have to duck!! I need more edumacation!!

Raven


:-) If you choose to explain this further, Dharma, wait for the discussion of that Leary speech in a few days. K? :wonka:
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Unread postby dharma_bum » Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:05 am

Raven wrote:“become a road man for the lords of karma.” this went right over my head so high above me that I did not have to duck!! I need more edumacation!!Raven


Famous HST quote... part of the PJ O'Rourke interview posted during ONBC tidbits. I'll save the rest for later.
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Unread postby Endora » Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:52 am

dharma_bum wrote:
Raven wrote:“become a road man for the lords of karma.” this went right over my head so high above me that I did not have to duck!! I need more edumacation!!Raven


Famous HST quote... part of the PJ O'Rourke interview posted during ONBC tidbits. I'll save the rest for later.


I love the way everything ends up connected though these discussions. More karma.
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Unread postby gilly » Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:51 am

Very interesting everyone..I think the fear is the realisation of the futility of it all..a profound disallusionment,spiced with overweening paranoia....Does Hunter really want us to surrender to this,or fight it? :-O
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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:35 pm

gilly wrote:Very interesting everyone..I think the fear is the realisation of the futility of it all..a profound disallusionment,spiced with overweening paranoia....Does Hunter really want us to surrender to this,or fight it? :-O


My opinion, gilly is to be able to recognize it and fight it. Don't give in and let the Fear bring you down.
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Unread postby stroch » Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:03 pm

I think the fear is recognizing the falseness of our consumer culture and the shallowness of people's thought processes. We see it in the "flavor of the week" news coverge, in the posturing of our civic leaders, and in the shallow thought process so many have.

Being in a casino with clanging noises, frenetic activity, hopeless dreams, plastic decor, and disconnected people is a nightmare; the heart of our American darkness.
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Unread postby CarrieKY » Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:07 pm

Stroch! So good to see you! :cool:

I've thought of you many times since Katrina....Have you been able to return to your home?

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Unread postby Liz » Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:59 pm

Endora wrote: I love the way everything ends up connected though these discussions. More karma.


I love it, too, Endora.

Stroch, I'm so glad you posted how are you and your family doing?
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Re: F&LILV Question #18 ~ The Fear

Unread postby DeppLovesBananahs » Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:07 pm

DeppInTheHeartOfTexas wrote:pg. 47 – 48 In the Circus-Circus

“I hate to say this,” said my attorney as we sat down at the Merry-Go-Round Bar on the second balcony, “but this place is getting to me. I think I‘m getting the Fear,”

“Nonsense,” I said. “We came out here to find the American Dream, and now that we’re right in the vortex you want to quit.” I grabbed his bicep and squeezed. “You must realize,” I said, “that we’ve found the main nerve.”

“I know,” he said. “That’s what gives me the Fear.”


What is the Fear?
(Still not the AD question… :blush: )


The Fear. Hmm.....I suppose the Fear could be when you realize what rock bottom is, for Gonzo, it was then. He just had a feeling of oddness, a feeling that maybe he shouldn't be there. An awkward, stimulation of senses. But what RD counters is, "we've found the main nerve" that's what he's afraid of in a sense, (obviously because that's what he answers with) but he knows how dangerous or how....dangerous its become....and still doesn't care? I can't help but feeling this answer isn't....right.

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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:55 am

Hannah wrote: The Fear. Hmm.....I suppose the Fear could be when you realize what rock bottom is, for Gonzo, it was then. He just had a feeling of oddness, a feeling that maybe he shouldn't be there. An awkward, stimulation of senses. But what RD counters is, "we've found the main nerve" that's what he's afraid of in a sense, (obviously because that's what he answers with) but he knows how dangerous or how....dangerous its become....and still doesn't care? I can't help but feeling this answer isn't....right.


Remember, no right or wrong answers here! :cool: Maybe each of us has our own Fear?
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Unread postby Endora » Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:01 pm

DeppInTheHeartOfTexas wrote:
Hannah wrote: The Fear. Hmm.....I suppose the Fear could be when you realize what rock bottom is, for Gonzo, it was then. He just had a feeling of oddness, a feeling that maybe he shouldn't be there. An awkward, stimulation of senses. But what RD counters is, "we've found the main nerve" that's what he's afraid of in a sense, (obviously because that's what he answers with) but he knows how dangerous or how....dangerous its become....and still doesn't care? I can't help but feeling this answer isn't....right.


Remember, no right or wrong answers here! :cool: Maybe each of us has our own Fear?


I think that's definately the right answer, DITHOT. The fear starts from inside a person, not externalities, I'm sure. It's about the things you can't share with anyone. We certainly have our own Fear. I'm thinking about Hunter's suicide here, too.
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