FI Question #15: A rose by any other name...

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FI Question #15: A rose by any other name...

Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:58 am

What do you think is the significance of the name "End of Time" or "Today is Tomorrow"?
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Unread postby Liz » Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:16 pm

I think that maybe EoT had met Robin Williams before he died.

"I also want to thank you for having Prince, William Shatner, Puff Daddy and Mic Jagger on the same stage. That is a sign of the apocalypse. Thank you. Thank you. That is the end of the world as we know it." ~ Robin Williams, GG's, 2005.

Who better than Robin Williams to enlighten EoT as to the secrets of humor? I know I'm not answering the question, but I just had to share that.
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Unread postby Larkwoodgirl » Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:12 pm

Liz wrote:I think that maybe EoT had met Robin Williams before he died.

"I also want to thank you for having Prince, William Shatner, Puff Daddy and Mic Jagger on the same stage. That is a sign of the apocalypse. Thank you. Thank you. That is the end of the world as we know it." ~ Robin Williams, GG's, 2005.

Who better than Robin Williams to enlighten EoT as to the secrets of humor? I know I'm not answering the question, but I just had to share that.


Liz, you are too funny!! Eot is definitely a display of the Tom Robbins sense of humor.

Today and tomorrow are really concrete perceptions that we use to define the passage of time - which is wholly abstract.

Our perception of time is the culmination of the things that we physically see (the clock, night and day, today and tomorrow, etc.). Time however is actually a continuum with no such physical demarcations.

End of Time and Today is Tomorrow (to me) are actually two ways of saying the same thing. Time is a continuum and (outside of our concrete perceptions about it) actually has no end. Today is tomorrow suggests that in the continuum, time is the same.

I think this is also based in Eastern philosophies.
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Unread postby abigail » Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:25 pm

Larkwoodgirl wrote:
Liz wrote:I think that maybe EoT had met Robin Williams before he died.

"I also want to thank you for having Prince, William Shatner, Puff Daddy and Mic Jagger on the same stage. That is a sign of the apocalypse. Thank you. Thank you. That is the end of the world as we know it." ~ Robin Williams, GG's, 2005.

Who better than Robin Williams to enlighten EoT as to the secrets of humor? I know I'm not answering the question, but I just had to share that.


Liz, you are too funny!! Eot is definitely a display of the Tom Robbins sense of humor.

Today and tomorrow are really concrete perceptions that we use to define the passage of time - which is wholly abstract.

Our perception of time is the culmination of the things that we physically see (the clock, night and day, today and tomorrow, etc.). Time however is actually a continuum with no such physical demarcations.

End of Time and Today is Tomorrow (to me) are actually two ways of saying the same thing. Time is a continuum and (outside of our concrete perceptions about it) actually has no end. Today is tomorrow suggests that in the continuum, time is the same.

I think this is also based in Eastern philosophies.

Yes, yes, yes and yes! I have nothing to add here, Larkwood girl said it all! :cool:

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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:28 pm

Liz, Robin was a crack up last night!

This passage caught my eye when I was reading the book in reagard to EoT: (pg. 359 just before the first propechy section) "(Switters) was as leery of those who predicted the furture as he was disdainful of those for whom the future always promised to be real in ways that the present was not.
'It's here. Today. Right now,' he said.
'What is?' (Domino)
'All of it.' (Switters)
'Today is tomorrow?' (Domino)
'There you go."

To me it had the meaning that time doesn't matter. What matters is what is going on right now in the present. Tomorrows don't count.

Anyone else?
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Unread postby Liz » Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:43 pm

DeppInTheHeartOfTexas wrote:Liz, Robin was a crack up last night!

This passage caught my eye when I was reading the book in reagard to EoT: (pg. 359 just before the first propechy section) "(Switters) was as leery of those who predicted the furture as he was disdainful of those for whom the future always promised to be real in ways that the present was not.
'It's here. Today. Right now,' he said.
'What is?' (Domino)
'All of it.' (Switters)
'Today is tomorrow?' (Domino)
'There you go."

To me it had the meaning that time doesn't matter. What matters is what is going on right now in the present. Tomorrows don't count.

Anyone else?


Which could also mean the "end of time" because time doesn't matter anymore. Hadn't thought of it that way. But it makes sense. I also think Larkwoodgirl's suggestion makes sense, from what we know about Robbins's background. I do think there could be a number of meanings here. I was also thinking that he used the name End of Time to represent the approaching millennium and also as a connection to the third Fatima secret that I think everyone thought would contain info on the particulars of Armageddon--which it didn't, but Robbins didn't know that yet. And if it was referring to "the end of the world as we know it", it wouldn't matter anymore anyway, would it? My brain is working too hard for someone who stayed up as late as I did last night and having had a little bit too much Merlot. :hypnotic:
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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:56 pm

Liz wrote: "the end of the world as we know it", it wouldn't matter anymore anyway, would it? My brain is working too hard for someone who stayed up as late as I did last night and having had a little bit too much Merlot. :hypnotic:


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So if I am to understand your theory of the time space continuium that would mean, uh, uh...oh heck, pass the rum!
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Unread postby Liz » Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:13 pm

But it's gone. :bawl: :banghead:

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Unread postby Larkwoodgirl » Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:24 pm

Since time is continuous and it doesn't matter anyway, the way I see it is that today is the same as yesterday and the rum is still there. Jack thanks me!!

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Have one on me Liz and DITHOT!! :rotflmao:
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Unread postby nebraska » Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:06 pm

I am SO glad somebody answered this question. I read it this morning and had totally no idea what to say. :-? : I just knew someone would come up with a good answer, and they did.

I wonder if the curse, putting Switters two inches above the ground to give him a different perspective, was somehow related to the idea of today being tomorrow and all of that you ladies just discussed......

Actually, the rum sounds like a good idea!

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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:09 pm

Larkwoodgirl wrote: Since time is continuous and it doesn't matter anyway, the way I see it is that today is the same as yesterday and the rum is still there. Jack thanks me!!

Have one on me Liz and DITHOT!!


I like your theory! :cool: Cheers!
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Unread postby luvdepp » Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:41 pm

nebraska wrote:I am SO glad somebody answered this question. I read it this morning and had totally no idea what to say. :-? : I just knew someone would come up with a good answer, and they did.

I wonder if the curse, putting Switters two inches above the ground to give him a different perspective, was somehow related to the idea of today being tomorrow and all of that you ladies just discussed......

Actually, the rum sounds like a good idea!

I was feeling the same way nebraska! Interesting discussion. Now pass the rum! :cool:
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Unread postby fansmom » Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:11 pm

End of Time's name made me think (but maybe I'm just contrary) of the first words of Genesis: "In the beginning . . ." EoT's effect on Switters was certainly God-like.

Too cold today for rum, unless it's hot and buttered. Brrr!

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Unread postby lumineuse » Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:36 pm

You guys are making my head hurt! Pass that hot buttered rum!!
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