The Libertine Tidbit #5: The Age of Reason~ Curiousities

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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:59 am

DeppLovesBananahs wrote:DITHOT,

I must tell you that this whole post is what we're learning about in English and part of what we learned in History last year. The Age of Reason should actually be replaced with the Age of Common Sense. Like, the whole Puritan aspects of life were the norm and I can't imagine why anyone would believe that we're all predestined and you can't do anything about it. It's insane. People back then needed a serious slap around....by the Earl himself.

But I just jumped in here because I recognized the whole topic...I haven't actually read the play...:blush:

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Unread postby gilly » Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:43 am

White skin was considered very desirable..it showed you were wealthy and was a sign of nobility..The whitening stuff was,as Merouda says,made up of lead,egg white and vinegar..You couldn't smile as your face would crack :-O ...Eventually you got skin sores from the lead mixture,so then they took to wearing patches....They hardly bathed,the plumbing was no-existent,no toilets, and they stank so much that they used really strong smelling perfumes...The smells must have been overwhelming... :-O No wonder they used to believe that it was the smell that caused sickness and disease :-O
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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:45 am

Last night on Letterman's show Malkovich talked a bit about how gritty and dirty London was at that time. I also remember reading about the perfume and how the ladies of the court wore it extensively. Whenever I see one of those ballroom scenes with everyone in their fancy clothes and wigs I always wonder what it was really like! :yuck2:
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Re: The Libertine Tidbit #5: The Age pf Reason~ Curiousitie

Unread postby Charlene » Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:57 pm

scarlett wrote:
DeppInTheHeartOfTexas wrote:The Age of Reason

If a single woman was ill or depressed - it was often attributed to the fact that the woman did not have a physical relationship with a man.


Well some things never change. :-)


...and what about the married women that were/are ill and depressed? Perhaps it was/is the fact that they had/have a relationship (physical or not) with a man. :biglaugh:

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Unread postby dharma_bum » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:08 pm

gilly wrote:White skin was considered very desirable..it showed you were wealthy and was a sign of nobility..The whitening stuff was,as Merouda says,made up of lead,egg white and vinegar..You couldn't smile as your face would crack :-O ...Eventually you got skin sores from the lead mixture,so then they took to wearing patches....They hardly bathed,the plumbing was no-existent,no toilets, and they stank so much that they used really strong smelling perfumes...The smells must have been overwhelming... :-O No wonder they used to believe that it was the smell that caused sickness and disease :-O

Smallpox was very common, it often didn’t kill, but left the skin ravaged. Women also wore felt patches on their faces to cover the pox scars. However, during the course of the disease, the acid-like effects of the pustules bursting could affect much largeer sections of skin. Just in case you are beginning to romanticize the period…
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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:11 pm

Just in case you are beginning to romanticize the period…


Not much chance of that db..especially after doing the research on the time period and seeing TL. I do have to say though that I thought that was one of the strengths of the film, they showed London like it was.
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Unread postby lizbet » Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:42 pm


I am thinking here (yes, yes, really I am) ...........if only they had made him drink lots and lots of water.


you're thinking like a 21st century woman - he'd have died faster if he had drank the water - cider, ale and wine were the beverages of the day as the water was polluted beyond our imagination -

thanks for reposting the tidbits Liz and DITHOT for those of us who missed them the first time around - TL isn't on my viewing list for many reasons but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in the background - thanks again for these great threads
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Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:30 pm

You're welcome, lizbet! Glad you are enjoying them! :cool:
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Unread postby Liz » Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:48 pm

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Unread postby lizbet » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:07 pm

:disco: hi right back at you guys :disco: been away from the zone for some time now and really missed this little corner - am looking forward to catching up on TL tidbits - :eyebrow:

:capnjack: just saw a POTC 2 promo - think it was for ET - seems like its all or nothing -
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Unread postby Jackslady » Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:29 pm

Lots of interesting information here ladies, thank you!

One theory concerning Rochester's increasingly erratic behaviour during his later years is that he was in fact suffering from the effects of mercury poisoning, from the treatments he received for syphilis. One of my few criticisms of TL would be that not enough people in the film are shown as being pockmarked, etc. John Wilmot's lifestyle and its consequences were by no means exceptional - venereal disease was rife at that time, indeed silversmiths earned a very good living by making false noses to hide its more obvious effects.

Some biographers believe that Wilmot infact passed syphilis to his wife and possibly his son - it is known that both Elizabeth and Charles Wilmot received medical treatment in London. Again, this seems horrifying to us, but would have been nothing unusual for the time in which they lived.
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Unread postby Merouda » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:08 am

Jackslady wrote:One theory concerning Rochester's increasingly erratic behaviour during his later years is that he was in fact suffering from the effects of mercury poisoning, from the treatments he received for syphilis.


And don't forget, syphilis also makes you go nuts. First the sores ,which go away and you think you're all better, then you go mad, then you die. :yuck2:

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