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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:49 am
by DeppInTheHeartOfTexas
Thanks for the info, incandescent. I would love to do a Wilmot tour one of these days if I ever get across the pond. Kings Chuck, eh? :lol:

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:16 pm
by Jackslady
incandescent wrote:Hello
I was at Kenwood House on Hampstead Heath today and in the Suffolk Collection of portraits I saw an Earl Of Rochester................... but it was laurence pyke - I think - from 1685. Surely some relation

Also splendid portraits of Kings Chuck 1&2, as they are known colloquially.

Well worth a visit if you are in North London, innit.


Incandescent, I think you might have seen a portrait of Laurence Hyde, to whom the earldom of Rochester was passed following Wilmot's death. I know very little about Hyde, (my research hasn't got that far yet) but in fact the speech Wilmot is shown making to the House of Lords, was in fact not made by him, but by Laurence Hyde in later years when he was earl. A partial transcript of this speech can be found in the book, The Debt to Pleasure, where it is incorrectly credited as being made by John Wilmot. I have more information on this point filed away somewhere, when I can put my hands on it, I'll post it here.

The Wilmot line ended with the death of John Wilmot's young son, Charles; Laurence Hyde was not related to JW.

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:03 am
by incandescent
Wow, thanks. You certainly have a comprehensive knowledge.

Of course I meant Hyde :blush: now you mention it, I knew it was a Y for the second letter. It's my jetlag don't you know, plays havoc with my grey matter

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:47 am
by Gilbert's Girl
After Wilmot's son died the Earldom died out, and was recreated and given to Laurence Hyde who was made 1st Earl of Rochester, quite confusing :-/

Bit of trivia, Laurence Hyde was the brother in law of the future James II of England, Charles II's brother

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:44 pm
by Jackslady
I'm going to have a look at the old BBC t.v. series The First Churchills, which I have on video. I remember Hyde's character features quite a lot in that.

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:37 pm
by Gilbert's Girl
Jackslady wrote:I'm going to have a look at the old BBC t.v. series The First Churchills, which I have on video. I remember Hyde's character features quite a lot in that.



Gosh haven't watched that since it first came out. It would be interesting to watch again because I was very young at the time and have since then become so fond of Charles it would be interesting to see how he is portrayed.I know he is not in it for long as the series is about the Churchills and their relationship with Queen Anne mainly. Laurence Hyde's father of course was also a prominent figure in Charles II's court being his chief adviser, can't recall his exact title. :banghead:

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:07 am
by Jackslady
Gilbert's Girl wrote:
Jackslady wrote:I'm going to have a look at the old BBC t.v. series The First Churchills, which I have on video. I remember Hyde's character features quite a lot in that.



Gosh haven't watched that since it first came out. It would be interesting to watch again because I was very young at the time and have since then become so fond of Charles it would be interesting to see how he is portrayed.I know he is not in it for long as the series is about the Churchills and their relationship with Queen Anne mainly. Laurence Hyde's father of course was also a prominent figure in Charles II's court being his chief adviser, can't recall his exact title. :banghead:


Lord Chancellor, I think, GG.

I'm going to start watching it again tonight. I've seen the video boxed set and also the DVD in Past Times shops. I was pretty young when I first saw it, too. It comes over as being a bit wordy by present day t.v. standards (not that there's anything wrong with that) and the sets are a bit cardboardy (!) but there are some very worthy actors in it. Rochester has a very small role in it, in the earlier episodes. I don't know the actor who is playing him, but he is a slightly-built man with a delicate face who captures JW quite well.

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:11 pm
by Gilbert's Girl
Jackslady wrote:
Gilbert's Girl wrote:
Jackslady wrote:I'm going to have a look at the old BBC t.v. series The First Churchills, which I have on video. I remember Hyde's character features quite a lot in that.



Gosh haven't watched that since it first came out. It would be interesting to watch again because I was very young at the time and have since then become so fond of Charles it would be interesting to see how he is portrayed.I know he is not in it for long as the series is about the Churchills and their relationship with Queen Anne mainly. Laurence Hyde's father of course was also a prominent figure in Charles II's court being his chief adviser, can't recall his exact title. :banghead:


Lord Chancellor, I think, GG.

I'm going to start watching it again tonight. I've seen the video boxed set and also the DVD in Past Times shops. I was pretty young when I first saw it, too. It comes over as being a bit wordy by present day t.v. standards (not that there's anything wrong with that) and the sets are a bit cardboardy (!) but there are some very worthy actors in it. Rochester has a very small role in it, in the earlier episodes. I don't know the actor who is playing him, but he is a slightly-built man with a delicate face who captures JW quite well.


Graham Armitage according to Imdb.
All I remember is Susan Hampshire being good, some rather gory, for those days battle scenes and Charles II's deathbed scene. I've often wondered about watching it again, perhaps I will do sometime :cool: