House of Earth Question #31 - Final Question

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Re: House of Earth Question #31 - Final Question

Unread postby shadowydog » Fri May 03, 2013 12:13 am

To Liz: No. Actually, according to Marx, socialism is the intermediate step between capitalism and communism. The Soviet Union never evolved past socialism. Pure communism is a utopian concept that few, if any, have ever achieved. It is the level beyond government when all share equally..."from each according to his ability - to each according to his need". The closest we have ever come to this was the original Jamestown Colony which ditched it when too many did nothing and expected everybody else to supply their needs.
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Unread postby SnoopyDances » Fri May 03, 2013 2:09 am

:sad: Another great discussion has come to an end. How sad.
I love these discussions and tidbits!
Great job to all that supply the tidbits/questions and to those of us that demand it! :bigwink:

Sorry I haven't actively participated in this one...real life and all...but I've read all of the posts and enjoyed the conversations. :goodvibes:

I learn more on this thread than in any history or geography class!

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Re: House of Earth Question #31 - Final Question

Unread postby ladylinn » Sat May 04, 2013 11:01 am

The tidbits and discussions were more informitive of the dust bowl era than I think the actual book was. It did reveal how a young couple dealt with the hardships of the time. It left me with an incomplete feeling of how it all worked out for Tike and Ella May. Maybe it was suppose to. As far as Woody's political view - more socialist than communist. Another great discussion. Thanks to Liz and ffd and all. :thankyou:

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Re: House of Earth Question #31 - Final Question

Unread postby Liz » Sat May 04, 2013 6:08 pm

Thanks, T and Shadowydog for the clarification on socialism vs. communism. It's weird to think that the Soviet Union was never really communist.

SnoopyDances, we missed you during the discussion. Hope you join us for the next one.

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Unread postby SnoopyDances » Sat May 04, 2013 7:28 pm

Liz wrote:Thanks, T and Shadowydog for the clarification on socialism vs. communism. It's weird to think that the Soviet Union was never really communist.

SnoopyDances, we missed you during the discussion. Hope you join us for the next one.

Stay tuned to find out what our next book selection is. We'll be announcing it this coming week.

:wave: I've been here, just too tired to post. Perhaps I'll add my two cents at a later time. :bigwink:

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Re: House of Earth Question #31 - Final Question

Unread postby Gilbert's Girl » Sun May 05, 2013 3:36 am

Liz wrote:Thanks, T and Shadowydog for the clarification on socialism vs. communism. It's weird to think that the Soviet Union was never really communist.

SnoopyDances, we missed you during the discussion. Hope you join us for the next one.

Stay tuned to find out what our next book selection is. We'll be announcing it this coming week.

I don't think any communist country has ever been totally communist, or for that matter any country which has socialist governments ever been truely socialists, its just an ideal that doesn't play out in reality.

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Re: House of Earth Question #31 - Final Question

Unread postby fireflydances » Sun May 05, 2013 3:55 pm

Because it is such a complicated term that means one thing to one group and another thing to another group,and because it's constantly bandied about in discussions, it's useful to look at the actual definition of Socialism. This comes from Merriam-Webster:
Definition of SOCIALISM

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods;
2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
2b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state;
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

First known use of term, 1837

System of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control; also, the political movements aimed at putting that system into practice. Because “social control” may be interpreted in widely diverging ways, socialism ranges from statist to libertarian, from Marxist to liberal. The term was first used to describe the doctrines of Charles Fourier, Henri de Saint-Simon, and Robert Owen, who emphasized noncoercive communities of people working noncompetitively for the spiritual and physical well-being of all (see utopian socialism). Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, seeing socialism as a transition state between capitalism and communism, appropriated what they found useful in socialist movements to develop their “scientific socialism.” In the 20th century, the Soviet Union was the principal model of strictly centralized socialism, while Sweden and Denmark were well-known for their noncommunist socialism.
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Re: House of Earth Question #31 - Final Question

Unread postby Buster » Sun May 05, 2013 4:30 pm

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Sounds kind of familiar... ;-)

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Re: House of Earth Question #31 - Final Question

Unread postby Buster » Sun May 05, 2013 4:32 pm

I meant to also say thanks, firefly, for the clarification, though I must admit that I have a sneaking suspicion that any theory of government works out quite differently than its theorists intended when it is actually implemented.

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Re: House of Earth Question #31 - Final Question

Unread postby Gilbert's Girl » Sun May 05, 2013 5:13 pm

Buster wrote:I meant to also say thanks, firefly, for the clarification, though I must admit that I have a sneaking suspicion that any theory of government works out quite differently than its theorists intended when it is actually implemented.

I think you are right there :ok:

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Re: House of Earth Question #31 - Final Question

Unread postby Liz » Sun May 05, 2013 10:56 pm

Buster wrote:I meant to also say thanks, firefly, for the clarification, though I must admit that I have a sneaking suspicion that any theory of government works out quite differently than its theorists intended when it is actually implemented.

Exactly. :cool:
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