Life Question #27~ Keith & Johnny

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Life Question #27~ Keith & Johnny

Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:50 am

Pg. 545 "By July, I was back on tour. In September, I played my debutante role as a cameo actor, playing Captain Teague in Pirates of the Caribbean 3 -- Johnny Depp's father, as it were -- a project that started off with Depp asking me if I minded his using me as a model for his original performance. All I taught him was how to walk around a corner when you're drunk -- never moving your back away from the wall. The rest was his. I never felt I had to act with Johnny. We were confident with each other, just looked each other straight in the eyes."


Why do you think Johnny chose Keith as a model for Captain Jack? What did you think of Keith as Teague?
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Re: Life Question #27~ Keith & Johnny

Unread postby Gilbert's Girl » Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:07 pm

Well I think we've heard from Johnny many times why he chose Keith which was he looked around for a modern day pirate which was a rock star and Keith fitted his idea. I'm sure Keith was flattered , but I have to say I think in some ways it just continues the mytholgy about Keith, and Johnny hasn't done anything to quell that, I think his introduction at the Scream Awards in 2009 also continued that as he used a famous cliche to describe Keith and somehow as a close friend that Johnny is supposed to be I think he should know better. Mind he only based his character on Keith he isn't playing Keith and to me watching Johnny that is one unique character and I personally can't see except for a few things maybe of anything of Keith in the character after all some of Jack's maanerisms I have seen Johnny do as far back as Jump Street :lol:
I thought as Teague in AWE Keith did a good job but he is no actor and I felt his performance in OST wasn't so good the lines seemed rushed and not naturally flowing. But he looks fabulous and his costume is wonderful :lol:

Btw I have often wondered how Johnny came to meet Marlon and I think it might have been through Evan Dando who was friends with Marlon and with Johnny at the right sort of time period. I know that Marlon's wife was friends with Kate Moss but I don't think that was the way they met as I think Johnny met Keith around 1994 and he says that Marlon had already been bringing him to the house for a couple of years before that.

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Re: Life Question #27~ Keith & Johnny

Unread postby Liz » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:34 pm

Gilbert's Girl wrote: I think in some ways it just continues the mytholgy about Keith, and Johnny hasn't done anything to quell that, I think his introduction at the Scream Awards in 2009 also continued that as he used a famous cliche to describe Keith and somehow as a close friend that Johnny is supposed to be I think he should know better.

I'm not familiar with what he said. But aren't their introductions to these awards shows scripted for them? Doesn't everybody know ahead of time what is going to be said? Whatever it was, they probably laughed about it BECAUSE it was a cliche. But again, I don't know what he said.
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Re: Life Question #27~ Keith & Johnny

Unread postby Gilbert's Girl » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:41 pm

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Gilbert's Girl wrote: I think in some ways it just continues the mytholgy about Keith, and Johnny hasn't done anything to quell that, I think his introduction at the Scream Awards in 2009 also continued that as he used a famous cliche to describe Keith and somehow as a close friend that Johnny is supposed to be I think he should know better.

I'm not familiar with what he said. But aren't their introductions to these awards shows scripted for them? Doesn't everybody know ahead of time what is going to be said? Whatever it was, they probably laughed about it BECAUSE it was a cliche. But again, I don't know what he said.

I don't know I guess I think Johnny could have said something more original though, just my opinion. He said something along the lines if the end of the world came the only things left living would be cockroaches and Keith Richards. Keith only went becasue he knew Johnny was going to give him the award but he didn't stay too long on stage, don't think he was that keen on it , not surprisingly all that screaming.
Mind thinking about it since he was giving Keith the Rock Imortal Award maybe he felt it was appropriate to suggest he would be the only other thing left alive. Kind of horrible though in some ways too :freaked: :lol:

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Re: Life Question #27~ Keith & Johnny

Unread postby nebraska » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:41 pm

Hearing the kind of music Johnny seems to like to play and knowing that he is a guitar player, I suppose it is natural that he would think of Keith Richards if he was looking for an outlaw rock star to emulate. But I think Johnny uses bits and pieces of various people - plus his own unique spin on things - when he creates a character and I doubt that Jack Sparrow was simply a matter of mimicking Keith. Certainly the "thingies in the hair" is identifiable in Jack Sparrow, as to the rest I am probably the wrong person to comment. I had never really heard of Keith Richards until his appearance in the POTC movies and even after all the video I have watched, I don't see a tremendous amount of his behavior/mannerisms in Jack.

The Teague character had an important part in the story of AWE and Keith was pretty awesome in the role. Not so much in OST where the part seemed to be forced just to get Keith in the movie somewhere.

The Keith Richards and cockroaches comment is pretty funny! :lol:

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Re: Life Question #27~ Keith & Johnny

Unread postby Cyn » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:28 pm

I think Johnny chose Keith as a model for CJS because genius minds have that singularly unique way of working that makes them geniuses to begin with, and it was genius to base most of, or the premise of, his pirate character on Keith Richards. It just worked, and somehow Johnny knew it would. And he was right. But remember, he also based CJS on Pepe Le Pew too. :biglaugh:
I guess the bandanna and hair thingies and way of speaking and walking and general all-around rebel attitude that made up Keith's persona was what struck Johnny as the perfect source to draw from to create his beloved CJS.
I thought Keef did a great job as Teague in both movies, and neither seemed forced or contrived to me to get him in the movie somehow. I thought it was very cool when the guy had the gun on Jack and was about to shoot him--(and this was Jack Sparrow...CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow....who had gotten out of all kinds of dangerous, deadly situations and here he was finally, not able to get out of one on his own)--and his dad came to the rescue in the nick of time. Ha, I just accidentally mentioned an old movie of Johnny's there! :lol:

As for the cockroaches comment, the only other time I had heard that was years ago when Robin Williams said it in his one-man Broadway show, which was all stand-up comedy. I thought he was the one that had created it to begin with but I don't know that for sure. So when Johnny said it at the Scream awards, it immediately reminded me of back when Robin Williams had said it in his show. I think by now Keith is not only so used to hearing stuff like that but probably agrees with it. :cool:
And now this is reminding me of something I heard just the other day on some show--was it The View??? I think it was...where a male guest said something like: if anyone else was infused with or drank Keith Richards' blood it would kill them instantly, but he lives just fine and dandy with it continually running through his system. Those kind of jokes have been around for years about Keith, and it doesn't take away from his talent or fame and fortune or icon-status at all. In fact, it enhances it.
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Re: Life Question #27~ Keith & Johnny

Unread postby stroch » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:28 pm

All of the bits and bobs tied to Jack's hair, and the do-rag, the backward bob of the head when taken aback, and the languid hand movements emanating from the wrist -- very Keith.

I wish there had been more of Teague in both movies, as those few snippets didn't really give him a chance to make his presence felt. He really didn't have to act, just be himself with his normal speech patterns and laugh, and it would have been great.
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Re: Life Question #27~ Keith & Johnny

Unread postby fireflydances » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:23 pm

Well the very first time I saw Jack Sparrow mincing down the gangplank I didn't think Keith Richards. I laughed outright and frankly I thought Depp was determined to go as hard as possible against our collective visions of what a pirate could be. And over time I think he's nudged Sparrow a little this way and that, developed a more fully realized portrait. Maybe it's simply become easier to reference Keith than to pick apart piece after piece of what he was doing.

Having read "On Stranger Tides" (1988) this past summer, I now also see lots of Captain Davies in Sparrow. Our first view of the pirates "they were dressed, Chandagnac reflected dazedly, like children who'd been interrupted while ransacking a theater's costume closet" and then we meet "Davies (who) calmly hiked a pistol out of his garish paisley sash" and here "the lean figure of Phil Davies striding towards him, a bottle of wine in each hand." We get to know a guy whose crew calls him by his first name and feels very comfortable calling him out on his every decision, who spends half his time grinning, sometimes wolfishly, who drinks with the best of them and plays like an actor to his audience of men. I don't want to see Sparrow as just this or that I guess. I want this complex creation, which has some of Keith and some of lots of other things.
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Re: Life Question #27~ Keith & Johnny

Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:30 pm

I totally agree that Keith was only a part of Jack, Captain Jack Sparrow, but definitely an influence. He does pull from many sources, including his own immense ability to draw a character. I read/heard a recent interview where Johnny talked about his respect for people that are truly individuals, one of a kind, and how that is being lost in our culture today. I think Keith definitely fits that bill and more power to him.
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Re: Life Question #27~ Keith & Johnny

Unread postby Gilbert's Girl » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:11 am

DeppInTheHeartOfTexas wrote:I totally agree that Keith was only a part of Jack, Captain Jack Sparrow, but definitely an influence. He does pull from many sources, including his own immense ability to draw a character. I read/heard a recent interview where Johnny talked about his respect for people that are truly individuals, one of a kind, and how that is being lost in our culture today. I think Keith definitely fits that bill and more power to him.

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Re: Life Question #27~ Keith & Johnny

Unread postby Gilbert's Girl » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:23 am

Btw its interesting the trinkets in the hair and the bandana. The trinkets didn't appear in Keith's hair until half way through the Bridges to Babylon Tour in 1999. I've heard Keith say that it was some of the guys from the backing band that started putting them in his hair when he was asleep. I think Keith then added them sometimes they have been gifts from fans.
The Bandana though wasn't a regular feature until 2002, although he used to wear one on stage as far back as 1975. I'm not so sure that was an influence on Johnny's dress for Jack anyway as Barbossa also wears one under his hat. :biggrin:

I didn't know that thing about the cockroaches from Robin Williams I've only heard it mentioned in connection with Keith. I guess I just find it kind of sad in a weird way that Keith would be thought to be the only other thing left alive other than cockroaches :sad:

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Unread postby FANtasticJD » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:41 am

One thing that has bothered me a bit about Johnny vis a vis Keith is his relationship with Marlon. Perhaps they are still friends, there is so much about Johnny we don't know, but it always appeared to me that JD used Marlon to get to know Keith. Now he and Keith are best buds and where is Marlon? I'm probably being unfair to him but it's a niggle that persists.

As for the cockroach comment, I loved it. Johnny collects cockroaches and reveres Keith and by this salutes both as enduring and indestructible no matter what is thrown at them. I don't always share Johnny's offbeat sense of humor but this is perfection.
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Re: Life Question #27~ Keith & Johnny

Unread postby Gilbert's Girl » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:54 am

FANtasticJD wrote:One thing that has bothered me a bit about Johnny vis a vis Keith is his relationship with Marlon. Perhaps they are still friends, there is so much about Johnny we don't know, but it always appeared to me that JD used Marlon to get to know Keith. Now he and Keith are best buds and where is Marlon? I'm probably being unfair to him but it's a niggle that persists.

As for the cockroach comment, I loved it. Johnny collects cockroaches and reveres Keith and by this salutes both as enduring and indestructible no matter what is thrown at them. I don't always share Johnny's offbeat sense of humor but this is perfection.

I've heard that suggestion before that Johnny used Marlon to get to Keith, but Marlon used to bring Johnny to the house for a couple of years before Keith showed any interest in Johnny, to Keith he was just Marlon's friend. I'm not even sure back in the old days Johnny even mentioned an interest in Keith as a musician I don't recall him ever saying he was one of his influences, maybe you can recall one FAN. As for Marlon well he's been living in England for years and we have no idea if Johnny keeps up with him he may, they are both into their families which are roughly the same age so who knows ,we only know and see Johnny sometimes with Keith not alot when they appear in public together, and we don't even know how often Johnny spends time with Keith, after all Johnny is very busy and Keith is mostly in New York, Connecticut or in the Caribbean

The other thing though is Marlon and his wife are friends with Kate Moss, so that might be another reason why they don't socialise anymore if they don't.

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Re: Life Question #27~ Keith & Johnny

Unread postby Cyn » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:16 pm

Gilbert's Girl wrote:I didn't know that thing about the cockroaches from Robin Williams I've only heard it mentioned in connection with Keith. I guess I just find it kind of sad in a weird way that Keith would be thought to be the only other thing left alive other than cockroaches :sad:


It was about Keith when Robin said it in his Broadway show, which was on HBO when I saw it, and then went to DVD. That was the first time I'd ever heard it, and I do think it was Robin that made it up to begin with since he wasn't using anyone else's material in his one-man show--it was all fresh new stuff by him out of his own head, and it's been repeated over the years since by others, including Johnny at the Scream awards in 2009. Robin meant it as a reference to Keith being a junkie/drug addict for so many years but still being able to stay alive--not dying of an overdose like so many others in his genre had, much less being able to continue on with his iconic music career. Indestructible, like FAN said.

Johnny collects cockroaches


:yuck: I can't stand the sight of them. I wonder if he still actually does or has given up that disgusting hobby finally.
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Re: Life Question #27~ Keith & Johnny

Unread postby Gilbert's Girl » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:21 pm

Thanks Cyn, as I say I didn't know where the reference came from I know it was old and what it referred to. :ok: I just felt Johnny could have come up with something more original, but thats just me.


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