On Stranger Tides Question #5 ~ Jack Shandy

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Re: On Stranger Tides Question #5 ~ Jack Shandy

Unread postby Buster » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:20 am

I got a bit side-tracked, thinking of the character arc of Shandy as it relates to his original livelihood as a puppeteer. As a child, he was an apprentice, almost an audience, for his skilled father. As he started on his voyage to avenge the wrongs done his father, he was becoming the puppet - manipulated by both his own agenda and the people he encountered. Gradually, he took over the strings, and by the time he actually used Hurwood's corpse as a puppet, he had gained control. I think by the time the tale ended, he had finally "cut the strings" to the past and had grown into being his own man at last.

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Re: On Stranger Tides Question #5 ~ Jack Shandy

Unread postby nebraska » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:33 am

I don't see the Will Turner comparison. Jack had a difficult past, traveling with his father and seeing a lot of the underbelly of the world. He was already bitter about the stolen inheritance. And then, as he entered the pirate life, he became swarthy and dirty. Will always seemed like a boy to me. And he remained really pretty all the way through his adventures.

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Re: On Stranger Tides Question #5 ~ Jack Shandy

Unread postby RamblinRebel » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:55 am

Buster wrote:I got a bit side-tracked, thinking of the character arc of Shandy as it relates to his original livelihood as a puppeteer. As a child, he was an apprentice, almost an audience, for his skilled father. As he started on his voyage to avenge the wrongs done his father, he was becoming the puppet - manipulated by both his own agenda and the people he encountered. Gradually, he took over the strings, and by the time he actually used Hurwood's corpse as a puppet, he had gained control. I think by the time the tale ended, he had finally "cut the strings" to the past and had grown into being his own man at last.

Wow! I think you're spot-on with that one, Buster. What a great analogy, and I didn't even make the connection until you pointed it out! :hatsoff: Thanks!

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Re: On Stranger Tides Question #5 ~ Jack Shandy

Unread postby ladylinn » Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:55 pm

As I was reading OST I kept trying to picture Capt. Jack in each situation of Jack Shandy. I think this was a mistake as the author wrote his Jack without our Capt. Jack in mind. Will be interesting how the movie intertwines both characters.
Anyway - John Chandagnac as he became Jack Shandy certainly grew as a self preserving and strong minded person. Example - becoming a pirate and capt. of a ship. But he never lost his loyality and his ability to separate right from wrong. He did what he had to do to save Miss Hurwood - his love. I liked him after he really found his "backbone".


p.s. Buster - you really hit the nail on the head with your analogy.

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Re: On Stranger Tides Question #5 ~ Jack Shandy

Unread postby DeppInTheHeartOfTexas » Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:46 pm

nebraska wrote:. Will always seemed like a boy to me. And he remained really pretty all the way through his adventures.


:lol: Good point, nebraska!

Buster, I had not thought of that analogy and I think it's a very good one!
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Re: On Stranger Tides Question #5 ~ Jack Shandy

Unread postby Liz » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:49 pm

Wow! I join others in their kudos for Buster’s analogy. That’s perfect! :applause:

Nebraska, I think Jack reminds me more of Will because of his focus on rescuing Beth. And he didn’t start out as a pirate in the story. He kind of fell into it, like Will did. And he was an honorable man.
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Re: On Stranger Tides Question #5 ~ Jack Shandy

Unread postby TimPowers » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:10 pm

Buster,

I'm impressed! From now on I'm going to claim I had all that puppets-&-strings business in mind when I wrote the book! It's great!

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Re: On Stranger Tides Question #5 ~ Jack Shandy

Unread postby gemini » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:51 pm

TimPowers wrote:Buster,

I'm impressed! From now on I'm going to claim I had all that puppets-&-strings business in mind when I wrote the book! It's great!

-- Tim

Very gracious of you Tim. That puppet theme seemed to fit in pretty well at the end for no forthought. :biggrin:
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Re: On Stranger Tides Question #5 ~ Jack Shandy

Unread postby Liz » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:08 pm

gemini wrote:
TimPowers wrote:Buster,

I'm impressed! From now on I'm going to claim I had all that puppets-&-strings business in mind when I wrote the book! It's great!

-- Tim

Very gracious of you Tim. That puppet theme seemed to fit in pretty well at the end for no forthought. :biggrin:

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