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Unread postby Sweeney Todd » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:28 pm

Weekend Actuals:

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $171,001,410 22.0%
+ Foreign: $604,901,687 78.0%
= Worldwide: $775,903,097
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Unread postby Sweeney Todd » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:03 am

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $171,123,001 22.1%
+ Foreign: $604,901,687 77.9%
= Worldwide: $776,024,688
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Unread postby Gilbert's Girl » Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:12 am

Pirates of the Caribbean Just set a very odd Box Office Record

JUL 31, 2017 @ 12:00 PM
Johnny Depp's 'Pirates Of The Caribbean' Just Set A Very Odd Box Office Record
Scott Mendelson , CONTRIBUTOR
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In a skewed way, Walt Disney’s Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales is almost an idealized variation of an aging Hollywood franchise. The fifth installment in the Johnny Depp-as-Jack Sparrow series took an understandable plunge from its predecessor, which in turn took a plunge from the prior two sequels at the domestic box office. But thanks to overseas expansion and some strong numbers in China and elsewhere, Dead Men Tell No Tales (or Salazar’s Revenge as it’s known in some territories) is still a worldwide hit. It may not be a home run, but it’s an example of how overseas popularity and market expansion can sometimes keep a big franchise alive even as the domestic figures drop.

Pirates of the Caribbean 5 earned $77 million over its Fri-Mon Memorial Day debut weekend, well short of the $90m Fri-Sun opening of Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides in 2011 and way below the $153m Fri-Mon Memorial Day opening of At World’s End back in 2007. But unlike some would-be franchise titles, Pirates 5 stuck around, earning just over $170m domestic. Now that’s below On Stranger Tides ($240m) and below At World’s End ($305m), but it’s better than Cars 3 ($150m+), War for the Planet of Apes (a likely $140m+ total) and Transformers: The Last Knight ($130m). Moreover, it kicked not a little bit of butt overseas, including $172m in China alone (On Stranger Tides earned $70m in China).

Now its current $605 million overseas total, the biggest of the summer and thus-far the third-largest of the year behind Fate of the Furious and Beauty and the Beast, is well behind Dead Man’s Chest ($642m) At World’s End ($654m) and On Stranger Tides ($805m). And Pirates 5 isn’t getting anywhere near the $950m-$1 billion+ global totals of the last three Pirates films. But, in a summer where The Mummy is crawling past $400m (on a $125m budget), War for the Planet of the Apes faces an uncertain fate and Transformers: The Last Knight will have to fight like hell to get over $600m worldwide, Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales is the exception to the rule this summer.

Aside from Dunkirk (if that counts) the way-too-early-to-tell Girls Trip, it’s the only super successful big-scale live-action grosser we’ve seen this summer that isn’t a comic book superhero movie. And, by the way, it just set a unique record. With $605 million overseas and $171m domestic, its $777m worldwide total makes it the biggest-grossing live-action movie ever for a title that didn’t top $200m domestic. The previous record-holder, not adjusted for inflation or 3D bumps, was Roland Emmerich’s 2012 which earned $166m domestic and $770m (in 2D) in late 2009 on a $165m budget. Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs ($196m/$886m in 2009) and Ice Age: Continental Drift ($161m/$877m in 2012) take the cake for all features, but Pirates 5 still has the live-action milestone.

You can argue whether this record should be cause for pride or shame. Heck, the 78/22 overseas/domestic split is merely the eighth-biggest such slant for a Hollywood(ish) movie over the last 12 months. It made a bigger percentage of its money in North America than The Mummy (80% international for $397m-and-counting), Fate of the Furious (81%/$1 billion), Inferno (84%/$220m), The Great Wall (86%/$332m), xXx: Return of Xander Cage (87%/$346m), Bridget Jones’ Baby (88%/$212m) and Resident Evil: The Final Chapter (91%/$312m). But what happened with Pirates 5 (and Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them) is arguably what Hollywood hopes would happen with every aging franchise. The domestic went down, but the overseas either stayed comparatively consistent or dropped but stayed big enough to still qualify as a hit.

I’m not sure to what extent that qualifies as a big win. But if it’s not a home run it’s certainly a ground-rule double. That doesn’t mean Walt Disney should press ahead with Pirates of the Caribbean 6, but it does mean that such a thing isn’t the craziest idea in the world, provided they can keep the budget down for once. And it means that we are that much closer to seeing a movie cross $1 billion worldwide sans a $200m+ domestic gross. Between you and me, I think the likeliest culprit is Universal/Comcast Corp.’s ninth Fast and Furious movie, but that’s a conversation or April of 2019. Until then, let’s hope that Cars 3 can eventually start to show some overseas muscle as it (very) slowly expands around the world.




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Unread postby Blackpearl50 » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:05 am

^^^ You know that article has a very skewed way of seeing those totals. That is not the first time and hardly the last time the overseas markets will take the majority of a film's worldwide gross. In fact, it's not new at all. Let's examine the top five films of all time. At number one, Avatar grossed over 72% of it's overall total from foreign markets. Titanic nearly 70%. The Force Awakens 54%. Jurassic World 61% and the Avengers 59%. That's the top five all time. What about the next five on that list to complete the top ten? Fast and Furious carries a staggering 76% in foreign markets. Age of Ultron 67%. Deathly Hallows Pt II 71%. Frozen 68% and Beauty & the Beast 60%. Do we hang our heads in shame over those?

There is not ONE example in the top ten all time where the domestic totals carried the day. In fact in almost every case the foreign markets gave those films their financial distinction. So the fact that foreign markets are carrying the latest Pirates film is hardly a break in the trend. A shameful statistic? How ridiculous. I laughed out loud when I read that. As if a film's "legitimacy" has to be anchored in it's domestic gross? Are you kidding me? Is everyone outside the United States sub-human? That author needs a serious lesson in prejudice through labels not to mention market analysis. Maybe we should call that article shameful for it's blatant ignorance at the Industry trend which clearly shows the United States losing its footing as the premiere market for films. THAT is the underlying truth in those numbers. The Pirates series is alive and well and this guy doesn't like the fact it doesn't need the American market to thrive.

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Unread postby Ade » Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:27 pm

Thing I read about the overseas market is that the studios love a big percentage to be outside the US especially for franchise movies because the sales of toys and other things associated with the films is much higher - people spend more on lego and t-shirts and models etc outside the US, which really helps boost studio profits. I didn't actually read the article negatively - I just think, as I've said before - it makes total sense to me that Warner and Universal would want to lock Johnny into franchises because of his overseas appeal. And that's a good thing! Disney are happy with P5 - I was also on some nerds POTC fan thing on YouTube (they were sketching out plots for the next few movies!) and the commentators said that Disney have definitely got Johnny's sign up for the next film, and that there is no way they are going to let this franchise go away. I hope that's right although I love that he is also doing so many other different things. Literally beside myself for FB2.

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Unread postby Lbock » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:50 pm

Getting there

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $171,334,528 21.9%
+ Foreign: $609,900,000 78.1%
= Worldwide: $781,234,528

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Unread postby SnoopyDances » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:31 pm

Lbock wrote:Getting there

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $171,334,528 21.9%
+ Foreign: $609,900,000 78.1%
= Worldwide: $781,234,528

Getting there!

Is it still playing somewhere in the world?
Or are the foreign markets just now updating their totals?

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Unread postby Lbock » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:46 pm

One theater still has it by me. Spartanburg SC

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Unread postby SnoopyDances » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:55 pm

Lbock wrote:One theater still has it by me. Spartanburg SC

:ok:

Looks like it's moved to the dollar theater here...three showings a day!

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Unread postby ibbi 3 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:00 am

It's still showing once a day here.
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Unread postby Sweeney Todd » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:23 pm

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $171,404,496 21.9%
+ Foreign: $610,084,380 78.1%
= Worldwide: $781,488,876
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Unread postby brunasouzota » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:39 pm

$700,000,000 is a great number and $781,488,876 is much better. :applause: :bounce: :goodvibes:
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Unread postby gipsyblues » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:42 am

:applause2: :yahoo: :biggrin:

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Unread postby Sweeney Todd » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:16 pm

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $171,563,981 21.8%
+ Foreign: $614,563,316 78.2%
= Worldwide: $786,127,297
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Unread postby sparralet » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:07 pm

Box Office: Johnny Depp's 'Pirates Of The Caribbean' Was The Exception To The Rule



There is a certain irony in the summer movie season ending with The Hitman’s Bodyguard opened well above expectations ($21.6 million) as Logan Lucky opened below par ($8m). In a summer where Hollywood panicked over the alleged newfound power of Rotten Tomatoes, which in-turn coincided with a number of would-be sure things crashing and burning, it is ironic that the critically-panned grindhouse action comedy did so well while the acclaimed Steven Soderbergh comic caper did so poorly. Truth be told, Lionsgate's The Hitman’s Bodyguard was one of the only big movies this summer that will perform well despite negative reviews. The other one was Walt Disney’s Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales.

I would argue the problem was less that badly reviewed movies did poorly but rather that comic book superhero movies (Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, Wonder Woman and Spider-Man: Homecoming) so dominated the first 2/3 of the summer to an extent that pretty much everything else struggled in North America. And “everything else” meant acclaimed (or at least well-received) pictures like War for the Planet of the Apes, Cars 3, Detroit and Logan Lucky. But, with arguably three exceptions, Hitman’s Bodyguard, Sony's The Emoji Movie (which, with $72m domestic and $125m worldwide thus far will still make much less than The Angry Birds Movie) and Pirates 5, good reviews were a requirement to compete this summer.

Two of these films have something interesting in common. The Hitman’s Bodyguard and Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales both received mostly negative reviews, as defined by the Rotten Tomatoes aggregator but earned overwhelmingly positive user ratings. In other words, the audience word-of-mouth disagreed with the critics. That may not seem like a big deal, since the conventional wisdom is that critics are pickier than consumers. But this summer, the critical buzz and the user scores were mostly in sync. Among the remotely wide releases this summer, the only other film that received a “rotten” score by critics but an overall positive score from users was the Brie Larson drama The Glass Castle.

That leaves Walt Disney’s Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales. Sure, the fifth Jack Sparrow adventure made noticeably less than the prior sequels. But even if you argue that the film’s $171 million domestic total isn’t great, it A) is still the second-biggest domestic total for a non-superhero/animated film this summer (Dunkirk will best it next weekend) and B) it still made $787m worldwide. That’s pretty huge business, and the film’s $614m overseas cume was the third biggest this summer behind Despicable Me 3 and, uh, Wolf Warrior 2. The film got worse reviews than On Stranger Tides, and as someone who somewhat enjoyed it I think that’s insane. But it still grossed quite a bit.

The fifth film wasn’t mean to continue a franchise or launch an expanded universe, and those factors may have been why it played after its $77 million Fri-Mon opening weekend. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales earned nearly $800m this summer because folks wanted a new Pirates sequel more than they wanted a new Transformers movie, the marketing sold what looked like an enjoyable big-budget pirate adventure movie, and said picture delivered a relatively painless action comedy with plenty of Johnny Depp/Jack Sparrow shtick for those who still desired as much. In a summer where badly reviewed movies did badly, Dead Men Tell No Tales (or Salazar’s Revenge) was the exception to the rule.



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